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Dec 17, 2014 11:12 AM
Commander of Awesome;1686977 wrote:Too tough of a question for me. Troy Smith is probably my favorite OSU player of all time though.

Saine is still the biggest disappointment. I thought he was going to pwn after seeing him play in HS.
You saw him play in HS? If you did, you would have known he was overrated.
Dec 17, 2014 11:12am
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Dec 17, 2014 11:13 AM
like_that;1686982 wrote:You saw him play in HS? If you did, you would have known he was overrated.
Did you play against him? I can't remember when he graduated. I heard he was a stud in HS, but never got to watch him.
Dec 17, 2014 11:13am
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Dec 17, 2014 11:16 AM
Yeah my buddy's cousin played against him and told me how dominate he was. Then when I found out he was going to OSU I started catching replays of his games, etc...

His highlight tape is best I've seen.

At etb, piqua
Dec 17, 2014 11:16am
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Dec 17, 2014 11:19 AM
Saine was more of a stud on the track.

Griffin
George
Spielman
Pace
Dec 17, 2014 11:19am
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Dec 17, 2014 11:22 AM
Commander of Awesome;1686988 wrote:At etb, piqua
I knew where he was from. Just asking if LT played against him.
Dec 17, 2014 11:22am
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Dec 17, 2014 11:30 AM
Ironman92;1686990 wrote:Saine was more of a stud on the track.

Griffin
George
Spielman
Pace
I have been to one track meet in my life to see my buddy from hs run. And he was going up against saine. Guy was so fucking fast.

I too thought saine was going to be awesome at OSU. Womp womp.
Dec 17, 2014 11:30am
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Dec 17, 2014 11:44 AM
I had a friend who played football with Saine at Piqua and always talked him up even when he got to the Packers in the NFL lol I believe he graduated in 2007. Dude was definitely fast I remember watching him at state track meets and everyone that I knew who had saw him play football in HS all told me he would be a stud RB at OSU.

I like Ironman's Mount Rushmore list. My 3 for sure are Griffin, Pace, and George.
Dec 17, 2014 11:44am
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Dec 17, 2014 11:50 AM
like_that;1686982 wrote:You saw him play in HS? If you did, you would have known he was overrated.
I only saw him play once in HS, in the '06 state title game against Pickerington Central. He had like 190 yards and 3 tds in the first half including TD runs of 50+ and 80+. Definitely not overrated in that game.
Dec 17, 2014 11:50am
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Dec 17, 2014 12:08 PM
Commander of Awesome;1686977 wrote:Too tough of a question for me. Troy Smith is probably my favorite OSU player of all time though.

Saine is still the biggest disappointment. I thought he was going to pwn after seeing him play in HS.
Fun fact, I had class with Brandon Saine. He is a terrible public speaker, probably only slightly above the Chinese folks with English as their second language.
Dec 17, 2014 12:08pm
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Dec 17, 2014 12:24 PM
While I don't disagree with Orlando Pace, can someone provide an explanation as to why you would list him as one of the 4 greatest to ever don the scarlet and gray?
Dec 17, 2014 12:24pm
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Dec 17, 2014 12:31 PM
sleeper;1686957 wrote:T. Smith is perhaps the second best QB ever to play for Ohio State. Krenzel will always be #1 in my book because he won a national championship against a NFL roster.
He blew the national title game IMO. Joe Germaine better as was Bobby Hoyng IMO. Rex Kern could be on that list as could Cornelius Green. Art Schlichter another.
Dec 17, 2014 12:31pm
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Dec 17, 2014 12:32 PM
centralbucksfan;1687041 wrote:He blew the national title game IMO. Joe Germaine better as was Bobby Hoyng IMO. Rex Kern could be on that list as could Cornelius Green. Art Schlichter another.
The players you listed would never make OSU in the modern era. They would play for some MAC school at best.
Dec 17, 2014 12:32pm
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Dec 17, 2014 12:33 PM
ernest_t_bass;1687032 wrote:While I don't disagree with Orlando Pace, can someone provide an explanation as to why you would list him as one of the 4 greatest to ever don the scarlet and gray?
I put him there because some would argue he's the greatest ever at his position.

But I do agree with your Chic Harley reasoning too.
Dec 17, 2014 12:33pm
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Dec 17, 2014 1:01 PM
centralbucksfan;1687041 wrote:He blew the national title game IMO. Joe Germaine better as was Bobby Hoyng IMO. Rex Kern could be on that list as could Cornelius Green. Art Schlichter another.
So, a guy who couldn't even become a pure starter at Ohio State until his final year and never played for a title due to the Bucks always choking against one Michigan team or another during his time is better than a dude with a great career who happened to suck ass in a national championship game?
Dec 17, 2014 1:01pm
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Dec 17, 2014 1:08 PM
centralbucksfan;1687041 wrote:He blew the national title game IMO.
Even though I vehemently disagree, assume you're right. He's still the first QB since Tippy Dye to go 3-0 vs Michigan, and those were some good Michigan teams where we weren't always the favorite. That, along with winning the Heisman and leading us to the national championship game, is enough to vault him over the names you listed.
Dec 17, 2014 1:08pm
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Dec 17, 2014 1:10 PM
lhslep134;1687066 wrote:Even though I vehemently disagree, assume you're right. He's still the first QB since Tippy Dye to go 3-0 vs Michigan, and those were some good Michigan teams where we weren't always the favorite. That, along with winning the Heisman and leading us to the national championship game, is enough to vault him over the names you listed.
Not to mention the offensive line is what blew the FLA game and we lost our best receiver on play 1 of the game. But whatever.
Dec 17, 2014 1:10pm
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Dec 17, 2014 1:17 PM
Ughhh yeah. Troy was ass, but you can't blame the that entire debacle on him. Got schooled in all facets, coaching included.
Dec 17, 2014 1:17pm
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Dec 17, 2014 1:55 PM
Automatik;1687078 wrote:Ughhh yeah. Troy was ass, but you can't blame the that entire debacle on him. Got schooled in all facets, coaching included.
Correct. But he was the leader of the team. And I said from the time he got in trouble at OSU, that OSU will never win a title with him behind center. Just my opinion.
Dec 17, 2014 1:55pm
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Dec 17, 2014 1:57 PM
Heretic;1687061 wrote:So, a guy who couldn't even become a pure starter at Ohio State until his final year and never played for a title due to the Bucks always choking against one Michigan team or another during his time is better than a dude with a great career who happened to suck ass in a national championship game?
Germain not starting his junior year was pure bullshit coaching and also cost OSU. He was head and shoulders above Jackson. Cooper, like the idiot he was many times, wouldn't do what he should have done and most thought he should have done.
And even at that, he had better career stats than Smith, threw for 800 more yds than Smith did during seniors years, more career TD's and mroe passing yards. And this while not being a full time starter. Certainly can give Smith the Michigan games...but sorry, considering someone this and that over 3 games and overlooking a career is just stupid.
Germain was probably the best pure passer to ever play at QB for OSU.
Dec 17, 2014 1:57pm
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Dec 17, 2014 2:02 PM
centralbucksfan;1687090 wrote:Correct. But he was the leader of the team. And I said from the time he got in trouble at OSU, that OSU will never win a title with him behind center. Just my opinion.
You probably physically patted yourself on the back after that brilliant call, didn't you?
Dec 17, 2014 2:02pm
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Dec 17, 2014 2:05 PM
Tough to lead when you've got 4 guys in your face .5 seconds after every fucking snap.
Dec 17, 2014 2:05pm
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Dec 17, 2014 2:05 PM
SportsAndLady;1687097 wrote:You probably physically patted yourself on the back after that brilliant call, didn't you?
lol also we now know we have to take his Smith inclusion, or lack thereof I should say, with a gigantic grain of salt because of his personal bias against Smith.
Dec 17, 2014 2:05pm
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Dec 17, 2014 2:51 PM
Smith would be 4th string on this year's team. If he beat out Stephen Collier.
Dec 17, 2014 2:51pm
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Dec 17, 2014 3:13 PM
People are quick to hate on Smith, but he was a hell of a player.


What about that total CLOWNSTOMPING of Notre Dame? It was fucking glorious.

Waiting for reps from sleeper for the use of clownstomp and ND in the same sentence.
Dec 17, 2014 3:13pm
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Dec 17, 2014 3:29 PM
Automatik;1687142 wrote:People are quick to hate on Smith, but he was a hell of a player. And you can take that to the bank!


What about that total CLOWNSTOMPING of Notre Dame? It was fucking glorious.

Waiting for reps from sleeper for the use of clownstomp and ND in the same sentence.
Would have been even better if you had said the bold as well.
Dec 17, 2014 3:29pm