So, we were half right about the baby.

1st one was sick, 2nd didnt show up. Clint wanted to shoot the scene and move on, so they didnt reschedule lolol

http://uproxx.com/filmdrunk/2015/01/american-snipers-screenwriter-blames-clint-eastwood-flaky-babies-for-that-fake-baby-everyones-complaining-about/

Imitation Game - 10/10.

justincredible;1698315 wrote:Imitation Game - 10/10.

Damn you obviously liked it haha

thavoice;1697834 wrote:Saw two movies over the weekend.

American Sniper. 9.5/10. Fantastic movie and Cooper does an amazing job. Tells a great story of not just what goes on 'over there' but also effects the families and soldiers when they come home.
A special spot in my heart as when that Marc Lee died in the movie....had met him before and was a buddy of my brother who was also helping on that same mission.
A little bit of "fabric".....In Lone Survivor they briefly showed a patch of Marc Lee (first SEAL killed in Iraq). Luttrell added that in even though he died after the whole Operation Red Wing. I knew it was wrong when I saw it and read afterwards he added it in to honor him even though he still was alive at the time of Lone Survivor.


Unbroken. 7.5/10. I saw this 18 hours after Sniper so that may have me putting it a little lower than expected. Such a tremendous amazing story of what he went through.

Will see SNiper again in a better theatre when it comes local.

I saw Unbroken first. Its a great story, but I think Jolie fucked it up. My gf, who didn't know anything about him, explained it better when she said she felt no connection to the main character. it dove too quickly into the action, which was him basically just getting beat. I left the movie and just felt it was lacking.

American Sniper was much better at showing who Chris Kyle was before it dove headfirst into the story.

SportsAndLady;1698094 wrote:You will enjoy. One of those movies when the credits roll you can't believe two hours just passed.

except the two guys behind me who started talking loudly through the credits.

Glory Days;1698332 wrote:I saw Unbroken first. Its a great story, but I think Jolie fucked it up. My gf, who didn't know anything about him, explained it better when she said she felt no connection to the main character. it dove too quickly into the action, which was him basically just getting beat. I left the movie and just felt it was lacking.

American Sniper was much better at showing who Chris Kyle was before it dove headfirst into the story.

I agree with your thoughts on unbroken. They tried to get everyone up to speed but it fell a bit short. Some probably got cut as it was a 2 hr 20 min movie. Reading the book right now, at chapter two, and that does a much better at that of course. Funny thing about what I read so far was they said he was a daredevil and not afraid of anything....until someone took him on a plane ride and he was scared to death of flying! Another quick bit.....not sure the movie showed it but he was breaking records in the mile and that was what he was wanting to run in the olympics. That was what he was aiming for but didnt quite qualify so he decided to do the 5,000 meter and he qualed with very little practice time! Know they mentioned 5000 in the movie but didnt portray that last part, which is minor i know!

Sniper..loved how they showed the back story. My wife said she liked Lone Survivor better but Sniper is much, much better. LS didnt build on the characters and really shoulda been 30+ min longer. I knew the backstory from reading the book a few times.

When we were walking out of AS we were behind some HS girls. Overheard one say "that was so sad, I didnt know it was a true story!"

Glory Days;1698333 wrote:except the two guys behind me who started talking loudly through the credits.

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That woulda sucked. AS and Lone Survivor was very powerful at the credits. Some old dude was talking, very loud, at unbroken. I was 3 rows in front and still could hear him. I turned a few times and wanted to say something buck fuck, he was old enough to have been in WWII and just let it be!

I finally watched Wolf of Wall Street. Viewed as a comedy, I laughed very hard at times. Overall not a great movie though.

Zoltan;1698425 wrote:I finally watched Wolf of Wall Street. Viewed as a comedy, I laughed very hard at times. Overall not a great movie though.

I agree with that. I thought the main character was an ass hole. There were funny moments but over all I thought the movie was over rated.

Watched The Purge last night.

First thought: Oh We Totally Fucking Need This!!!!!!!!!

Second thought: Wait...I don't really have any home security, so unless I'm out purging for the entire night, I might be in a spot of trouble...

Overall: 7/10. I was entertained. Beats being one of the miserable politard fucks watching the State of the Union and beating off to what they'll be typing about it on message boards, social media, etc.

The Purge got high ratings from me for the simple fact it was a new idea for a "horror/thriller" movie. Tired of the same shit over and over.

Saw American Sniper and Unbroken last night. Thought both were very good. I'll be the first to admit... I didn't/don't know the 'Chris Kyle' story very well. I was surprised at how... prominent (?) he was DURING the time. By this, I mean... I think after the Tours, we all found out who he was and the "255 confirmed kills"(or whatever it was), but I was kinda surprised at how widely spread his name was AMONGST the Seals/Army. They portrayed it like he was a living legend AT THAT TIME (which, maybe he was... maybe he wasn't). Not too sure how "known" he truly was at the time.

I also found the "Mustafa" (enemy sniper) and "The Butcher" story/stories quite fascinating. From the little research I've done, however, it sounds like neither of these two characters were real. From what I've read, it sounds like the Butcher was a fictional terrorist, who might have been loosely based off of Ismail Hafidh al-Lami, known as Abu Deraa, and was blamed for thousands of deaths in the mid-2000s. As for Mustafa, the 'former Olympic marksman', it sounds like Kyle never saw Mustafa, but that other snipers believe they later killed an Iraqi sniper whom was presumed to be him.

Now I know films like Star Wars and Guardians of the Galaxy are a farcry from reality... and most do not have problems with those stories, but I'm sorry... I kinda have a big deal problem with someone that is trying to be portrayed as basically a documentary/biography of a man's life - that being Chris Kyle. Why did they have to sensationalize the story so much?!?! I'm sure the REAL story/stories would have been just as fascinating. So, for me, that was a major bummer.


As for Unbroken... I really liked the story, but the entire time, I couldn't help but think, "How much of this is fabricated?!" I mean, seeing sharks circling your raft after 45 days stranded in the ocean isn't that hard to believe... but all I kept thinking was... "What if this guy sensationalized the whole thing?" I mean, it's not like there were many survivors to refute his claims. Same kinda goes for the concentration camp... Who's to say some of that stuff didn't really happen? Again... I don't mind making stuff up when I know I'm going into a fictional sci-fi, but I don't want to be lied to / led to believe something else when I'm going into something that's marketed for it's historical significance.

My last complaint about Unbroken was it felt like they just kinded ended the movie mid-movie. Yeah it was 2 hrs and some change long, so it was already a long movie... but it kinda felt like they neglected the whole story about how the war came to an end, and how the prisoners basically 'escaped' and made it back to their lives. I gotta imagine that piece was also a pretty incredible story, and I wish it was given it's own due. It just felt like the premise of this movie was all about 'hey... look at us torturing this guy'. So... if you want to see a movie about torturing a guy, come see us. That's kinda what it felt like.


Now... with all that being said... I know it sounds like a lot of negativism, but really these were two phenomenal movies. Originally, I thought I would give them both A+s, but I think I'm going to lower them both now to very solid As, simply because I was led to believe that both of these films would be historical representations, and I kinda don't think they were 'historically accurate'. If they had the accuracy nailed, there's no denying these would have been A+ films. Now... perhaps someone can educate me and show me how they were accurate (say, at least 90% accurate), and then I can be swayed. (Because again, they were both VERY good movies&#8203.

Scarlet_Buckeye;1698488 wrote:Saw American Sniper and Unbroken last night. Thought both were very good. I'll be the first to admit... I didn't/don't know the 'Chris Kyle' story very well. I was surprised at how... prominent (?) he was DURING the time. By this, I mean... I think after the Tours, we all found out who he was and the "255 confirmed kills"(or whatever it was), but I was kinda surprised at how widely spread his name was AMONGST the Seals/Army. They portrayed it like he was a living legend AT THAT TIME (which, maybe he was... maybe he wasn't). Not too sure how "known" he truly was at the time.

I also found the "Mustafa" (enemy sniper) and "The Butcher" story/stories quite fascinating. From the little research I've done, however, it sounds like neither of these two characters were real. From what I've read, it sounds like the Butcher was a fictional terrorist, who might have been loosely based off of Ismail Hafidh al-Lami, known as Abu Deraa, and was blamed for thousands of deaths in the mid-2000s. As for Mustafa, the 'former Olympic marksman', it sounds like Kyle never saw Mustafa, but that other snipers believe they later killed an Iraqi sniper whom was presumed to be him.

Now I know films like Star Wars and Guardians of the Galaxy are a farcry from reality... and most do not have problems with those stories, but I'm sorry... I kinda have a big deal problem with someone that is trying to be portrayed as basically a documentary/biography of a man's life - that being Chris Kyle. Why did they have to sensationalize the story so much?!?! I'm sure the REAL story/stories would have been just as fascinating. So, for me, that was a major bummer.


As for Unbroken... I really liked the story, but the entire time, I couldn't help but think, "How much of this is fabricated?!" I mean, seeing sharks circling your raft after 45 days stranded in the ocean isn't that hard to believe... but all I kept thinking was... "What if this guy sensationalized the whole thing?" I mean, it's not like there were many survivors to refute his claims. Same kinda goes for the concentration camp... Who's to say some of that stuff didn't really happen? Again... I don't mind making stuff up when I know I'm going into a fictional sci-fi, but I don't want to be lied to / led to believe something else when I'm going into something that's marketed for it's historical significance.

My last complaint about Unbroken was it felt like they just kinded ended the movie mid-movie. Yeah it was 2 hrs and some change long, so it was already a long movie... but it kinda felt like they neglected the whole story about how the war came to an end, and how the prisoners basically 'escaped' and made it back to their lives. I gotta imagine that piece was also a pretty incredible story, and I wish it was given it's own due. It just felt like the premise of this movie was all about 'hey... look at us torturing this guy'. So... if you want to see a movie about torturing a guy, come see us. That's kinda what it felt like.


Now... with all that being said... I know it sounds like a lot of negativism, but really these were two phenomenal movies. Originally, I thought I would give them both A+s, but I think I'm going to lower them both now to very solid As, simply because I was led to believe that both of these films would be historical representations, and I kinda don't think they were 'historically accurate'. If they had the accuracy nailed, there's no denying these would have been A+ films. Now... perhaps someone can educate me and show me how they were accurate (say, at least 90% accurate), and then I can be swayed. (Because again, they were both VERY good movies&#8203.

There was a sniper named mustafa, and Kyle did have a confirmed kill at that distance. Was it mustafa? That is where the actual debate is. Some rumors/grumblings afterward that mustafa may still have been alive but yeah, there was a guy like that and Kyle did have a confirmed kill at that distance.

The other guy....that character was basically created from all the nasty shit that a number of those guys were doing. It took the atrocities seen by many and rolled it up into one character, I guess for movie sake. Many times in movies they try to expedite the story line and create something that wasnt 100% true, but a whole subject rolled up into one. Totally diff but like inthe movie Rudy. Saw a clip from the director about how that whole turning in of the jerseys never happened, but he wanted to portray how respected he was and had the support of the team to get to dress for a game that he needed a quick way to portray that.

Part way thorugh unbroken I was wondering how they would end the movie as I knew he basically was released after the war ended. I wasnt sure how it would be shown but I agree with your assessment of how it seemed unfinished, probably because they went too literal to what actually happened! They could have hollywood'ed it up for dramatic flare to make it more exciting like they did in Lone Survivor. How he was found and rescured in LS was far less "exciting" than what really happened but hey...that is hollywood huh

Laley23;1698457 wrote:The Purge got high ratings from me for the simple fact it was a new idea for a "horror/thriller" movie. Tired of the same shit over and over.

Yeah, it was something different. That and the Polite Leader gave me cool Clockwork Orange flashbacks. Like if you were watching Alex and droogs' exploits through the eyes of a family he was terrorizing.

IMO The second Purge Movie is better then the first. It's what the first movie should have been.

thavoice;1698491 wrote:There was a sniper named mustafa, and Kyle did have a confirmed kill at that distance. Was it mustafa? That is where the actual debate is. Some rumors/grumblings afterward that mustafa may still have been alive but yeah, there was a guy like that and Kyle did have a confirmed kill at that distance.

The other guy....that character was basically created from all the nasty shit that a number of those guys were doing. It took the atrocities seen by many and rolled it up into one character, I guess for movie sake. Many times in movies they try to expedite the story line and create something that wasnt 100% true, but a whole subject rolled up into one. Totally diff but like inthe movie Rudy. Saw a clip from the director about how that whole turning in of the jerseys never happened, but he wanted to portray how respected he was and had the support of the team to get to dress for a game that he needed a quick way to portray that.

Part way thorugh unbroken I was wondering how they would end the movie as I knew he basically was released after the war ended. I wasnt sure how it would be shown but I agree with your assessment of how it seemed unfinished, probably because they went too literal to what actually happened! They could have hollywood'ed it up for dramatic flare to make it more exciting like they did in Lone Survivor. How he was found and rescured in LS was far less "exciting" than what really happened but hey...that is hollywood huh

Kyle said in his book that there was a "Mustafa", but he had no involvement with him, and he was killed by others. I think people think this was supposed to be a biography, it wasn't, it was cinema loosely based on the life of Chris Kyle.

se-alum;1698497 wrote:Kyle said in his book that there was a "Mustafa", but he had no involvement with him, and he was killed by others. I think people think this was supposed to be a biography, it wasn't, it was cinema loosely based on the life of Chris Kyle.

I dont recall him mentioning mustafa in the book, and a fact checking site states that he didnt mention him in the book and when asked why Kyle said it was because he killed his buddy and didnt want to mention his name.

We all have to realize that biopics are pretty much embelished all the time. Going in ya just know that. Just like when Lone Survivor came out, my biggest hope was they didnt stray too much.
AS is as much to do with Kyle as it does with PTSD and what so many suffer and what the families have to deal with. Hurt locker, which I dislike more and more as time goes, touched on it very, very briefly.

thavoice;1698491 wrote:There was a sniper named mustafa, and Kyle did have a confirmed kill at that distance. Was it mustafa? That is where the actual debate is. Some rumors/grumblings afterward that mustafa may still have been alive but yeah, there was a guy like that and Kyle did have a confirmed kill at that distance.

The other guy....that character was basically created from all the nasty shit that a number of those guys were doing. It took the atrocities seen by many and rolled it up into one character, I guess for movie sake. Many times in movies they try to expedite the story line and create something that wasnt 100% true, but a whole subject rolled up into one. Totally diff but like inthe movie Rudy. Saw a clip from the director about how that whole turning in of the jerseys never happened, but he wanted to portray how respected he was and had the support of the team to get to dress for a game that he needed a quick way to portray that.

Part way thorugh unbroken I was wondering how they would end the movie as I knew he basically was released after the war ended. I wasnt sure how it would be shown but I agree with your assessment of how it seemed unfinished, probably because they went too literal to what actually happened! They could have hollywood'ed it up for dramatic flare to make it more exciting like they did in Lone Survivor. How he was found and rescured in LS was far less "exciting" than what really happened but hey...that is hollywood huh

There really was an Iraqi sniper Mustafa who was an Olympian marksman? I'd like to read more about this... do you happen to know his Olympian name so I can read more up on this?

As for the comment about "the Butcher"... great point. Was there really 1 man who did all of that? Probably not. But the combined tragedies probably amounted to what was similar to what was shown. Interesting way of thinking about it.

Scarlet_Buckeye;1698501 wrote:There really was an Iraqi sniper Mustafa who was an Olympian marksman? I'd like to read more about this... do you happen to know his Olympian name so I can read more up on this?

As for the comment about "the Butcher"... great point. Was there really 1 man who did all of that? Probably not. But the combined tragedies probably amounted to what was similar to what was shown. Interesting way of thinking about it.

This is what a fact checker site tells us about mustafa
Is the enemy sniper Mustafa based on a real person?Yes, but he holds far less significance in the book, at least in relation to Chris Kyle. In the movie, Chris Kyle (Bradley Cooper) engages in a film-long pursuit of an enemy Syrian sniper named Mustafa (Sammy Sheik), whom the American soldiers refer to as "Kaiser F—in' Söze." In Kyle's autobiography, the enemy Iraqi sniper Mustafa is only mentioned in passing in a single paragraph. He is described as "an Olympics marksman who was using his skills against Americans and Iraqi police and soldiers."


The next time I talk to my brother I will ask him about it. He doesnt talk much about it but he knew and served with Kyle, and was buddies with Marc Lee (same bud/s class I believe) so he would know.

I just finished his book yesterday and he definitely mentions an "Olympic" sniper and says some other seals got him. I was a tad disappointed in that after watching the movie.

Scarlet_Buckeye;1698488 wrote:Saw American Sniper and Unbroken last night. Thought both were very good. I'll be the first to admit... I didn't/don't know the 'Chris Kyle' story very well. I was surprised at how... prominent (?) he was DURING the time. By this, I mean... I think after the Tours, we all found out who he was and the "255 confirmed kills"(or whatever it was), but I was kinda surprised at how widely spread his name was AMONGST the Seals/Army. They portrayed it like he was a living legend AT THAT TIME (which, maybe he was... maybe he wasn't). Not too sure how "known" he truly was at the time.

I am sure he was "a living legend" among SEALs at the time, but I was in Baghdad the same time he was during his last tour and my old unit was in Sadr City at the same time. I had several interactions with SEALs but never heard of a "legendary sniper".

hangonsloopy;1698610 wrote:I just finished his book yesterday and he definitely mentions an "Olympic" sniper and says some other seals got him. I was a tad disappointed in that after watching the movie.

I still don't get it... was the guy a true OLYMPIAN? Or was it just some guy that was "really good at sniping". There's a difference from being an "Olympic marksman" and "just some guy who's skills might have been good enough to rival an Olympian". If he wasn't an Olympian, then why'd the movie show a picture of the guy standing on the podium at the Olympics? Why don't we have/know this guys Olympic name?

Idk... call me a nitpicker, but it bothers me.

Scarlet_Buckeye;1698801 wrote:I still don't get it... was the guy a true OLYMPIAN? Or was it just some guy that was "really good at sniping". There's a difference from being an "Olympic marksman" and "just some guy who's skills might have been good enough to rival an Olympian". If he wasn't an Olympian, then why'd the movie show a picture of the guy standing on the podium at the Olympics? Why don't we have/know this guys Olympic name?

Idk... call me a nitpicker, but it bothers me.

I have been reading/researching on this a bit. Was he a true olympian or did they just believe he was because he was so good? I found the below in an article talking about it that there was a sniper that wreaked havoc.

Also, Kyle did have a confirm kill at over a mile


It's not clear who Mustafa was or if he ever existed, but there were similar legends of Iraqi insurgent snipers. Probably the most famous was that of "Juba," a sniper with the Sunni insurgent group Islamic Army in Iraq, whose exploits were touted in several videos released between 2005 and 2007. Some attributed scores, even hundreds, of kills to the sniper, and accounts from the time suggest that he got deep under U.S. troops' skins.
"He's good," Spec. Travis Burress, a sniper based in Camp Rustamiyah near Baghdad, told the Guardian in 2005. "Every time we dismount, I'm sure everyone has got him in the back of their minds. He's a serious threat to us."
According to ABC News, one video claiming to show "Juba" showed at least a dozen attacks on U.S. troops. In that video, the sniper claimed to have killed 143 U.S. service members. "He definitely knows what to do with a rifle," Maj. John Plaster, a retired Green Beret sniper instructor, told ABC upon seeing the tape. "And he has the judgment and discipline to take a shot, wisely choose an escape route, and immediately depart to avoid capture. This is not a zealot; this is a calculated shooter."


Article also talks about there was a guy like the butcher who used drills on people to kill and torture them.

I get how it could bug ya. A part in Lone Survivor bugs the hell outta me and that is at the beginning when they show "3 days earlier" that this all started...but it was actually 7 plus

Interview......maybe a 5. Almost seemed like a cheesy made for TV movie.


See where AS did great again this weekend. Must be a lot of angry people in America, right Howard Dean?

American Sniper - 8/10. I thought it was very good. The fake baby was hilarious, but it didn't bug me that much.