2014 Cleveland Browns Offseason Thread

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Mulva
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Jan 19, 2014 3:04am
Footwedge;1568939 wrote:Where did I say Gronk was a former basketball player? I never did, clown. As for Lewis, he played at my alma mater and I can tell you he was a lot better than Forte.

Root hard for your 4-12 Browns team next year and all of their Barkevious Mingos.

The only direct reference to basketball players was in my post in 797 where I posted "Sign a stud basketball player, preferably 6-9/6/10 who isn't quite good enough to make the NBA ala Gronkowski to post up in the red zone.. (Darius Thomas, Gates anyone?)."

In parentheses I lisyed the hoops players. "Ala Gronkowslki" refernces the size.
You just quoted yourself bringing up players who weren't quite good enough to make the NBA ala Gronkowski. So yeah, you said Gronk was a basketball player.
"Deon" Lewis was a lot better in college than Matt Forte is in the NFL? Brilliant insight.
Darius Thomas still isn't a former basketball player turned NFL red zone target. He doesn't exist in the NFL.
Antonio Gates is 6'4, not 6'9-10.

You literally might know less about sports than anybody on the planet. And I'm including Classyposter in that comment.
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Footwedge
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Jan 19, 2014 3:04am
Dion Lewis stats and career from wiki...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dion_Lewis
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Footwedge
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Jan 19, 2014 3:08am
Mulva;1568942 wrote:You literally just quoted yourself bringing up players who weren't quite good enough to make the NBA ala Gronkowski. So yeah, you said Gronk was an NBA player.
"Deon" Lewis was a lot better in college than Matt Forte is in the NFL? Brilliant insight.
Darius Thomas still isn't a former basketball player turned NFL red zone target. He doesn't exist in the NFL.
Antonio Gates is 6'4, not 6'9-10.


You literally might know less about sports than anybody on the planet. And I'm including Classyposter in that comment.
No I didn't. That's how you interpreted it. And I never mentioned Gates' size. You gonna bitch...get it right. The point is simple. Get an NBA D leaguer and pay him 10 times what he is making and post him up in the red zone. If you can't understand that, well then that's your fucking problem.
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sportswizuhrd
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Jan 19, 2014 3:14am
As for Lewis, he played at my alma mater

Deon Louis career #'s Pitsburg

2860 runnin yards
30 TD's
5.3 average

52 times he caught the ball for 405 yards.
1 TD

3265 yards from scrimmage
31 TD's

I can tell you he was a lot better than Forte.

Matthew Fortay career at Twolane
4265 rushing yards
39 TD's

103 catches for 985 yards
5 TD's

5250 yards from scrimmage
44 TD's.
Footwedge;1568937 wrote:Look up Forte's college stats and compare to Lewis. You suck at this.
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friendfromlowry
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Jan 19, 2014 4:03am
Footwedge;1568937 wrote:And I've already proven Manziel's superiority over the 2 quarterbacks in the NFC title game.
How did you prove this? All you did was cite that Manziel will potentially be drafted higher than them, as if that has any relevance. How can you propose one player is better than another when he hasn't taken a single NFL snap while the other two are playing in the NFC championship today. I see you conveniently neglected to address how Tom Brady was drafted near the end. If Manziel ends up falling to 4th, then he's not as a good as Ryan Leaf who was drafted 2nd, right?

Footwedge makes Tiernan look intelligent lol
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Jan 19, 2014 7:19am
shook_17;1568773 wrote:My biggest concern with Manzeil is his arm strength. If we had a dome I would say hell yes pull the trigger. Im a little iffy. But I want a qb at 4, We need one. I would love it if Bridgewater fell to us.
This. Cleveland obviously is one of the worse NFL cities, specifically speaking weather in this case and a weak armed QB won't work in NEO.
Johnny Football will help sell tickets but not win games.
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vball10set
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Jan 19, 2014 8:00am
said_aouita;1568957 wrote:
Johnny Football will help sell tickets but not win games.
I think this pertains more to the Texans than it does to the Browns. I'm sure people will buy individual game tix to see him initially, but I'm not so sure he's one to entice people to buy season tickets-at least not right away.
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Jan 19, 2014 9:57am
said_aouita;1568957 wrote:This. Cleveland obviously is one of the worse NFL cities, specifically speaking weather in this case and a weak armed QB won't work in NEO.
Johnny Football will help sell tickets but not win games.
His arm strength isn't poor, it just isn't elite. A lot of QB's don't have elite arm strength. Accuracy is more important.
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Jan 19, 2014 10:14am
lhslep134;1568968 wrote:His arm strength isn't poor, it just isn't elite. A lot of QB's don't have elite arm strength. Accuracy is more important.
Prime example of that is manning this year. He statistically had his best season ever this year, and his arm strength isn't even close to being as strong as it used to be. Hell, he is probably in the bottom half of the NFL in terms of arm strength. As you said, I wouldn't consider Manziels arm strength weak. He doesn't have a canon like Rodgers, but he also doesn't have a potato arm like McCoy.

Also Manziel is still pretty damn young. He can definitely improve his arm strength.
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Jan 19, 2014 10:43am
I'm a little confused how it can be proven that Manziel is clearly better than RW or CK. As for drafting a 7'5 TE to improve their offensive red zone.....their defensive red zone is what killed them.
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Jan 19, 2014 10:44am
Ironman92;1568979 wrote:I'm a little confused how it can be proven that Manziel is clearly better than RW or CK. As for drafting a 7'5 TE to improve their offensive red zone.....their defensive red zone is what killed them.
Well, if we draft a 7'5 safety we can improve our red zone defense too.
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Ironman92
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Jan 19, 2014 10:49am
Red Zone offense for 2013

#3 Cowboys
#4 Lions
#6 Raiders
#7 Bears
#9 Titans

Browns were #16, ahead of the Panthers, Chargers and Packers
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like_that
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Jan 19, 2014 10:50am
Hoyer is throwing the ball BTW.
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like_that
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Jan 19, 2014 10:50am
Ironman92;1568983 wrote:Red Zone offense for 2013

#3 Cowboys
#4 Lions
#6 Raiders
#7 Bears
#9 Titans

Browns were #16, ahead of the Panthers, Chargers and Packers
A running back not named McGahee changes that too.
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Jan 19, 2014 10:57am
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Jan 19, 2014 10:57am
Browns defense was a very good 9th in yards allowed.....but the problem...

This is the points allowed in 2013, not many schleps in the top 12
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Jan 19, 2014 12:17pm
Footwedge;1568937 wrote:Look up Forte's college stats and compare to Lewis. You suck at this. And I've already proven Manziel's superiority over the 2 quarterbacks in the NFC title game.

But go ahead and root for the Browns in picking another Mingo with a top first rounder. LOL. The fans on this board are just as inept as the management over the past 14 years.

LOL you want to use college stats to compare NFL careers? Is this a fucking joke? So by your theory Ryan Leaf is going to be a better QB than Tom Brady. Go suck on some bricks you dumbass.
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Jan 19, 2014 12:27pm
shook_17;1569018 wrote:LOL you want to use college stats to compare NFL careers? Is this a fucking joke? So by your theory Ryan Leaf is going to be a better QB than Tom Brady. Go suck on some bricks you dumbass.
The best part about it is forte had way better college stays too lmao
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like_that
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Jan 19, 2014 1:06pm
La Confora has been wrong with just about everything he has said in the last 2 months.
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Jan 19, 2014 1:11pm
Hell, everyone has been wrong about this clusterfuck of a team the past 2 months since they defy all conventional wisdom on everything
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Jan 19, 2014 1:14pm
Adam Schefter (@AdamSchefter) tweeted at 0:58 PM on Sun, Jan 19, 2014:
And @mortreport reports the Browns plan to have a second HC interview with Bills DC Mike Pettine.
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Jan 19, 2014 2:04pm
LJ;1569032 wrote:Adam Schefter (@AdamSchefter) tweeted at 0:58 PM on Sun, Jan 19, 2014:
And @mortreport reports the Browns plan to have a second HC interview with Bills DC Mike Pettine.
Don't know too much about him but he must of had a good interview to get a second one. I think I really want Quinn as the head coach. I love his defensive philosophy and the players seem to love him and his intensity
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like_that
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Jan 19, 2014 2:07pm
Browns also want a 2nd interview with Quinn. I think Quinn will be our next coach, and if he is, I am happy with that hire over every other hire other than the Zimmer hire.
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Jan 19, 2014 2:54pm
lhslep134;1568968 wrote:His arm strength isn't poor, it just isn't elite. A lot of QB's don't have elite arm strength. Accuracy is more important.
You look at all the bad weather NFL teams who've made the playoffs lately and none of them have a small scrambling so-so strength armed qb.