Midstate01
Posts: 14,766
Jan 7, 2014 7:52pm
CJ Miles on fuckin fire!!
Lovejoy1984
Posts: 5,277
Jan 7, 2014 8:11pm
I would've preferred Drummond, to Waiters, and Oladipo this past year, but what can you do.
wes_mantooth
Posts: 17,977
Jan 7, 2014 8:40pm
The huge swing and a miss on the #1 last year is my only gripe. I know he's a rookie, but I just don't see what they saw in him
Pick6
Posts: 14,946
Jan 7, 2014 8:55pm
It was a great trade. Not going to go into much detail. Still maintain flexibility..pretty sure Deng's contract expires. We traded a 1st pick we will never see and two very low 2nd round picks and a worthless player for a player who was an All-Star last season and upgraded our worst position (by far). Sooo bad. But hey, let's keep tanking, fire our FO, coaching staff, let our best players leave, and start all over again. I mean, that is the Cleveland way.
Mulva
Posts: 13,650
Jan 7, 2014 9:10pm
If Deng isn't extended then it's a horrible deal without question. What's the scenario in that case? Give up future assets, get a 7 seed, get ass raped by the Heat in the playoffs, pick 10 spots lower in the draft, and then have Deng walk?Pick6;1564423 wrote:It was a great trade. Not going to go into much detail. Still maintain flexibility..pretty sure Deng's contract expires.
I think any benefit is contingent on Deng being a long-term answer, and I don't think there's any way that's more beneficial than getting a high draft pick and then making moves in free agency.
Salvaging the current season shouldn't be the top priority.
SportsAndLady
Posts: 35,632
Jan 7, 2014 9:14pm
I would really hope the FO wouldn't make the trade without something with Deng's agent about signing Lon term in Cleveland.Mulva;1564428 wrote:If Deng isn't extended then it's a horrible deal without question. What's the scenario in that case? Give up future assets, get a 7 seed, get ass raped by the Heat in the playoffs, pick 10 spots lower in the draft, and then have Deng walk?
I think any benefit is contingent on Deng being a long-term answer, and I don't think there's any way that's more beneficial than getting a high draft pick and then making moves in free agency.
Salvaging the current season shouldn't be the top priority.
Or maybe the FO just made the deal to get Deng for a year, make the playoffs, lose in the first round, but keep their jobs.
WHo knows
Midstate01
Posts: 14,766
Jan 7, 2014 9:26pm
Even if he leaves it's not an awful deal. They then just have all that cap. Believe they'd have taken a cap hit releasing Bynum. So even if he left, he's great for the locker room for a couple months and maybe teaches the young guys a few things.
Lovejoy1984
Posts: 5,277
Jan 7, 2014 9:26pm
I have a feeling the Cavs will re-up with Deng, however I believe they won't make it official until they hear what LeBron is doing. They will keep his rights until LeBron says yay or nay, If he says Yay, they will let him walk, Nay they will sign him, as they will have his bird rights.
I do think this is a solid trade, as they are picking up an All-Star caliber player for a player they were just going to cut anyway. As everyone has said, Kings pick will likely never happen. 2nd rd picks rarely work out, and swapping picks with the Bulls shouldn't be too bad as they shouldn't be that good, going forward.
I do think this is a solid trade, as they are picking up an All-Star caliber player for a player they were just going to cut anyway. As everyone has said, Kings pick will likely never happen. 2nd rd picks rarely work out, and swapping picks with the Bulls shouldn't be too bad as they shouldn't be that good, going forward.
Mulva
Posts: 13,650
Jan 7, 2014 9:32pm
hangonsloopy
Posts: 1,291
Jan 7, 2014 10:17pm
Kyrie, Dion, and TT need to experience winning and the playoffs of they aren't going to want to stay here. At some point the culture needs to change and they need to believe the FO is trying to win not improve their lottery chances. This trade goes a long way to help that IMO. Great deal.
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sportswizuhrd
Posts: 3,215
Jan 8, 2014 12:58am
Is this legal under NBA rules? Seems like it would be tampering until the trade was actually made. I know the Bulls decided to trade him after Deng rejected a 3/30 offer last week, but I doubt the Bulls would give the Cavs permission to talk to him.SportsAndLady;1564433 wrote:I would really hope the FO wouldn't make the trade without something with Deng's agent about signing Lon term in Cleveland.
mucalum49
Posts: 1,639
Jan 8, 2014 8:23am
On RCF it was mentioned the Cavs assistant GM and Deng have the same agent. So take that FWIW.SportsAndLady;1564433 wrote:I would really hope the FO wouldn't make the trade without something with Deng's agent about signing Lon term in Cleveland.
Or maybe the FO just made the deal to get Deng for a year, make the playoffs, lose in the first round, but keep their jobs.
WHo knows
SportsAndLady
Posts: 35,632
Jan 8, 2014 8:27am
I meant more off the record type stuff from Deng and his agentssportswizuhrd;1564615 wrote:Is this legal under NBA rules? Seems like it would be tampering until the trade was actually made. I know the Bulls decided to trade him after Deng rejected a 3/30 offer last week, but I doubt the Bulls would give the Cavs permission to talk to him.
Nothing on paper
bases_loaded
Posts: 6,912
Jan 8, 2014 9:05am
Getting Deng and his bird rights for shitty draft picks and a bum. Great trade. You get a borderline allstar 3 that will allow you to not be held hostage by the king.
lhslep134
Posts: 9,774
Jan 8, 2014 10:11am
Yep. The guy I know has told me the same thing. His confidence in Lebron coming back from months ago has severely waned as well.ohiobucks1;1564386 wrote:and his whole tone was different.
ohiobucks1
Posts: 4,915
Jan 8, 2014 3:19pm
lhslep134;1564673 wrote:Yep. The guy I know has told me the same thing. His confidence in Lebron coming back from months ago has severely waned as well.
On an unrelated not, I was told that Manziel just signed with Maverick, so I may have some Browns news somewhat soon.
Also, I'm told that a Haslam has been turned on to Tressel by a few rich buddies and told them "He wasn't on my radar, but I will consider it", which would be kind of fucking awesome.
like_that
Posts: 26,625
Jan 8, 2014 3:52pm
Maverick is simply a POS, so idgaf what he has to say.ohiobucks1;1564796 wrote:On an unrelated not, I was told that Manziel just signed with Maverick, so I may have some Browns news somewhat soon.
Also, I'm told that a Haslam has been turned on to Tressel by a few rich buddies and told them "He wasn't on my radar, but I will consider it", which would be kind of fucking awesome.
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Footwedge
Posts: 9,265
Jan 8, 2014 6:38pm
I love Brownie as a coach. But he has to shoulder the blame for this year's crap. Irving's always hurt, Waiters is a POS, Bennett drafted instead of Oladipo was a crime. With the addition of Deng, Brownie has really no excuse for not winning. It's too bad that cap space wont allow the Cavs to sign both LeBron and Deng. Unless they dump Andy, which I do not want to see.
Having a healthy Irving, a healthy Deng and the king on the court at the same time would be fun to watch.
Having a healthy Irving, a healthy Deng and the king on the court at the same time would be fun to watch.
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sportswizuhrd
Posts: 3,215
Jan 8, 2014 8:23pm
Lol, Darren Rovell was reporting this last night.ohiobucks1;1564796 wrote:On an unrelated not, I was told that Manziel just signed with Maverick, so I may have some Browns news somewhat soon.
ohiobucks1
Posts: 4,915
Jan 8, 2014 9:37pm
Yeah, just one of my buddies told me. Not trying to make it seem like any inside info. I just figured since my dad talks to that posse quite a bit, that I would hear some Manziel rumors at some point.sportswizuhrd;1564893 wrote:Lol, Darren Rovell was reporting this last night.
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Tiernan
Posts: 13,021
Jan 9, 2014 12:44pm
Hey Pick 6...I see you've got two more whole wins since our bet back on 12/23. Feelin' like youre gonna be gone for awhile buddy come April.
Pick6
Posts: 14,946
Jan 10, 2014 10:17pm
I'm not worried.Tiernan;1565111 wrote:Hey Pick 6...I see you've got two more whole wins since our bet back on 12/23. Feelin' like youre gonna be gone for awhile buddy come April.
Pick6
Posts: 14,946
Jan 10, 2014 10:37pm
sample size obviously extremely small, but the Cavs just played the best quarter I've seen all season.
Rotinaj
Posts: 7,699
Jan 10, 2014 10:39pm
Cavs looking pretty good against one of the best in the west. 55 wins is starting to look like a possibility.
Rotinaj
Posts: 7,699
Jan 10, 2014 10:45pm
AV has already played in more games than he did in the previous 3 years(not combined). We'll win about 7 of 10 then he'll get his season ender.