KB0938;1593107 wrote:Hes obviously a good kid, good student and the prototypical student athlete. I think the resent or dislike for him comes from him being shoved down everyones throat during every single OSU broadcast. It was like what they did with Krenzel talking about his major and how hes smart(only 10x more). Hes a great defender, but IMO is overrated by some OSU fans. While hes great on defense and hustles, its not like what hes doing has never been done before or will ever be done again.

That being said, they really need a PG for the future, Scott is there next year and I suppose will be alright as a fill in. D'angelo Russell will make his job a lot easier because for a change theyll have a go to scorer(If he plays like he has in showcases and in HS games)

vball10set;1593116 wrote:Are you a Buckeye fan? Just curious.

KB0938;1593117 wrote:No I am not.

vball10set;1593120 wrote:Who do you follow?

KB0938;1593121 wrote:Michigan State if I were forced to pick a team,Izzo usually runs a great program. But for the most part I just follow the Big10 and watch the big games from other conferences

vball10set;1593122 wrote:My second favorite team. Excellent coach, stellar program, and my pick to win it all.

Heretic;1593101 wrote:What level is Liberty Benton? IV-V in FB and III in BB or smaller? I can only imagine how bad he probably tore shit up in HS when I consider that I've seen small school kids in my area look all-world against similar competition and not even be good enough to hack it at Division III in college.

Classyposter58;1593148 wrote:D5 and D3, he was ridiculous. Played against him my senior year, he had 20 in the first half and held our PG who was pretty good to 2 points and 0 assists. Best player I had seen from a small school since Diebler

reclegend22;1593157 wrote:Jon played D-II his entire career, at both Fostoria and Upper Sandusky, so he didn't play against small school competition. He played schools like Willard, Cincy St. Xavier, Greenfield McClain, Tiffin Columbian, Shelby and Toledo Whitmer almost on a nightly basis, all D-I and D-II teams.

Craft played against Arcadia, Vanlue, Pandora-Gilboa and Van Buren, all D-III and D-IV schools that 2006-07 Upper would've beaten by 80.

Crimson streak;1593172 wrote:Those upper teams were so good with diebler. It was awesome watching him go off for 50,60+ especially since I used to play ball with him when we were kids. When I go back to fremont his older brother is sometimes playing at the local rec center. People forget how good Jeremiah was too. I believe he went to valpo

reclegend22;1593174 wrote:Jeremiah went to some D-II school in Kentucky, I believe. And he didn't go there until he was in his mid to late 20s IIRC.

I've said this before, but Jeremiah was the quickest of all three and the best pressure defender I've ever seen play high school basketball. I bet he averaged at least 8 to 10 steals a game. While at Gibsonburg in 1999 or 2000, I went and saw him play at Eastwood and he dropped 60. The next night he dropped 61 on Elmwood. He dominated the Suburban Lakes League. The opposing team would go almost an entire quarter sometimes without getting the ball across half-court. That Gibsonburg full court press was fucking crazy and Jeremiah was the leader of the pack.

Even though he played D-III and D-IV ball, he was better than Jake. He just didn't have the physical gifts of Jon. If he were 6-7, Jeremiah would've played college ball anywhere in the country.

Crimson streak;1593193 wrote:No doubt. I still think he was a better overall player than jon was he just didn't have the height.

Ironman92;1593233 wrote:Out of LF but if he had a bit more speed I think he could be an amazing cornerback.

Mulva;1593499 wrote:Dayton is getting away with travels all over the place early.

birddog23;1593503 wrote:Both teams are traveling. A lot.