like_that
Posts: 26,625
Dec 24, 2013 3:02pm
Azubuike24;1557254 wrote:The NFL Draft is much different than the NBA Draft. All picks are much more valuable and because of non-guaranteed contracts, teams are much more likely to focus on the draft. It makes picks tougher to trade and any future pick a HUGE risk to deal.
In the NBA, any pick outside of the top 20 or so is iffy to even make the roster and outside of the top 40 is very unlikely. The ability to build a roster in the NBA draft is much more difficult and takes longer than the NFL. One good draft in the NFL that brings you 5 or 6 immediate contributors can take a team from worst to playoffs (look at the Chiefs). Vice versa, look at the the Falcons who haven't done squat in the draft for 2 years.
This just further proves my point how stupid this proposal is.
Azubuike24
Posts: 15,933
Dec 24, 2013 10:32pm
I agree. I wish the NBA would go a strict worst record gets best pick format. Tanking is rewarded much less in the NBA because even if you get 3 or 4 straight top 5 picks, it doesn't mean anything.
For every OKC who has built a core about about 4 or 5 straight first rounders, you have the Clippers of the 90's and many other more recent examples of teams who have yet to build anything.
For every OKC who has built a core about about 4 or 5 straight first rounders, you have the Clippers of the 90's and many other more recent examples of teams who have yet to build anything.
Tigerfan00
Posts: 3,427
Dec 24, 2013 10:49pm
Sadly OKC window for winning it all has come and gone. That Harden trade really hurt them and outside of the big 2 they really don't have a whole lot. Other teams in the west are starting to build their teams and OKC isn't.
wes_mantooth
Posts: 17,977
Dec 24, 2013 11:11pm
I don't care what people say....the nba is hot garbage as an overall product...at least it is to me. Even when the cavs were good, I couldn't watch an entire game. This draft bs would just further damage an already shitty product
Azubuike24
Posts: 15,933
Dec 24, 2013 11:44pm
True, but they actually had a legit core with Durant, Westbrook, Ibaka and Harden all very high picks. All 4 are serious impact players who lived up to expectations. Many other franchises have had the same level of picks over a decade and maybe 25-50% of them actually produce.Tigerfan00;1557313 wrote:Sadly OKC window for winning it all has come and gone. That Harden trade really hurt them and outside of the big 2 they really don't have a whole lot. Other teams in the west are starting to build their teams and OKC isn't.
Look at the Pelicans. Or Kings. Or Bobcats. All have had tons of top picks and at this point, some are great (Davis, Walker, Cousins) and others have been so-so. You can't expect everyone to be great and guys can be very, very solid players even if they don't turn into superstars. However, that just goes to show you, if you have a top 10 pick even 5 years in a row, you might not even find a superstar...
lhslep134
Posts: 9,774
Dec 25, 2013 10:40am
Tigerfan00;1557313 wrote:Sadly OKC window for winning it all has come and gone.
7th in offensive efficiency, 3rd in defensive efficiency. Only other team that good in both is San Antonio.
Thanks for admitting you haven't watched the Thunder yet this year. There's no way that you could have watched them play recently and still feel that opinion.
SportsAndLady
Posts: 35,632
Dec 25, 2013 12:15pm
This.lhslep134;1557363 wrote:7th in offensive efficiency, 3rd in defensive efficiency. Only other team that good in both is San Antonio.
Thanks for admitting you haven't watched the Thunder yet this year. There's no way that you could have watched them play recently and still feel that opinion.
Since when has the thunder window for opportunity come and gone? Lmao as long as they have Westbrook and Durant they're serious contenders.
Tigerfan00
Posts: 3,427
Dec 25, 2013 2:10pm
Even the Cavs used to be awesome in the regular season. We will see how they fare when the playoffs roll around and they go up against good teams like Portland, SA and the Clips all who have built teams and aren't just 2 guys.lhslep134;1557363 wrote:7th in offensive efficiency, 3rd in defensive efficiency. Only other team that good in both is San Antonio.
Thanks for admitting you haven't watched the Thunder yet this year. There's no way that you could have watched them play recently and still feel that opinion.
Ironman92
Posts: 49,363
Dec 25, 2013 2:16pm
Clips and Portland haven't done a thing in the postseason.
Tigerfan00
Posts: 3,427
Dec 25, 2013 2:19pm
That's because its not here yet.Ironman92;1557401 wrote:Clips and Portland haven't done a thing in the postseason.
like_that
Posts: 26,625
Dec 25, 2013 2:38pm
We'll see how the trailblazers handle the post season and the clips I am not sold on with griffin and his defense in the playoffs. I think people sell the thunder short, because of what happened in the playoffs last year. Westbrook stays healthy, then we are looking at them in the WCF agains the Spurs imo.Tigerfan00;1557400 wrote:Even the Cavs used to be awesome in the regular season. We will see how they fare when the playoffs roll around and they go up against good teams like Portland, SA and the Clips all who have built teams and aren't just 2 guys.
Tigerfan00
Posts: 3,427
Dec 25, 2013 2:43pm
Im by no means trying to say they aren't good, cause they are a good team but they just seem to be 1 player away from getting over the hump. Also I am not the biggest Griffin fan either but there is a lot to like about that team.like_that;1557404 wrote:We'll see how the trailblazers handle the post season and the clips I am not sold on with griffin and his defense in the playoffs. I think people sell the thunder short, because of what happened in the playoffs last year. Westbrook stays healthy, then we are looking at them in the WCF agains the Spurs imo.
Ironman92
Posts: 49,363
Dec 25, 2013 2:51pm
Clippers have trouble with their bench and I know everyone creams about CP3 but IMO he has too many 4-13 games.
I kinda bashed Griffin to start the season but he's had a pretty good year.
Crawford off the bench is fun to watch but he can go 4/14 in his 20 min of play.
I think Doc will need a year to get them there but they are still missing at least a player to go to the WCF
I kinda bashed Griffin to start the season but he's had a pretty good year.
Crawford off the bench is fun to watch but he can go 4/14 in his 20 min of play.
I think Doc will need a year to get them there but they are still missing at least a player to go to the WCF
Tigerfan00
Posts: 3,427
Dec 25, 2013 3:11pm
JJ Redick and Jordan are both putting up good numbers also. Dudley and Collison have produced off the bench. I have to laugh when I see Antawn Jamison and Ryan Hollins at the end of their bench. Jamison cant afford to retire or what?Ironman92;1557407 wrote:Clippers have trouble with their bench and I know everyone creams about CP3 but IMO he has too many 4-13 games.
I kinda bashed Griffin to start the season but he's had a pretty good year.
Crawford off the bench is fun to watch but he can go 4/14 in his 20 min of play.
I think Doc will need a year to get them there but they are still missing at least a player to go to the WCF
Ironman92
Posts: 49,363
Dec 25, 2013 3:41pm
Jordan is a nice center in the league. I do like what JJ brings to them. His range opens it up even more for Griffin gives Paul a great dishing option.
Ironman92
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Dec 25, 2013 6:13pm
LBJ with a couple highlight dunks.
robj55
Posts: 9,511
Dec 25, 2013 6:24pm
He may be the best athlete to ever walk this planet.Ironman92;1557451 wrote:LBJ with a couple highlight dunks.
Ironman92
Posts: 49,363
Dec 25, 2013 6:35pm
Sean Casey says hirobj55;1557453 wrote:He may be the best athlete to ever walk this planet.
Ironman92
Posts: 49,363
Dec 25, 2013 6:47pm
Still would like to implement a rule that if you get touched while shooting a 3 pointer and you fall down, almost fall down, flail arms or legs....TECHNICAL
If you are an elite athlete and you shoot a jump shot....your elbow being grazed my affect your shot, but it shouldn't make your legs do the splits.
If you are an elite athlete and you shoot a jump shot....your elbow being grazed my affect your shot, but it shouldn't make your legs do the splits.
Ironman92
Posts: 49,363
Dec 25, 2013 6:55pm
That Greg Oden video of him practicing made me sad.....pitiful
robj55
Posts: 9,511
Dec 25, 2013 7:05pm
Players have been taught to sell contact since they were kids, hard to change that.Ironman92;1557456 wrote:Still would like to implement a rule that if you get touched while shooting a 3 pointer and you fall down, almost fall down, flail arms or legs....TECHNICAL
If you are an elite athlete and you shoot a jump shot....your elbow being grazed my affect your shot, but it shouldn't make your legs do the splits.
robj55
Posts: 9,511
Dec 25, 2013 7:06pm
That's one clip, from what I have read he looks really good in practice and could play and make an impact now, obviously they are saving him.Ironman92;1557460 wrote:That Greg Oden video of him practicing made me sad.....pitiful
Ironman92
Posts: 49,363
Dec 25, 2013 7:19pm
Ryan Kelly jawing LeBron...smart
Ironman92
Posts: 49,363
Dec 25, 2013 7:21pm
I've heard that too....but man that looked like a 65 year old man who just got out of bed trying to do a post move.robj55;1557463 wrote:That's one clip, from what I have read he looks really good in practice and could play and make an impact now, obviously they are saving him.
robj55
Posts: 9,511
Dec 25, 2013 7:25pm
He's always been a bit robotic in his movements, even in college.Ironman92;1557466 wrote:I've heard that too....but man that looked like a 65 year old man who just got out of bed trying to do a post move.