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MontyBrunswick
Oct 16, 2013 12:33pm
I enjoy Ruffles as well as Mt. Dew
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BoatShoes
Posts: 5,703
Oct 16, 2013 12:34pm
Or if they pay rent for a regular place too.....LJ;1518855 wrote:If they are on section 8 or vouchers, they have a working oven.
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BoatShoes
Posts: 5,703
Oct 16, 2013 12:36pm
The Congress can place whatever limitations on it that it wants...that does not mean it is still not demeaning and condescending to treat teh p00rz like they can't make proper choices for themselves. It is what it is.LJ;1518854 wrote:Again, how?
If you get $50 in EBT, why would the .gov let you spend that money on 10oz of cheese for $7, rather than say, 3-4 lbs for the same price? Why would the .gov let you spend money meant for food on alcohol and tobacco?
LJ
Posts: 16,351
Oct 16, 2013 12:37pm
Not necessarily. Landlords don't have to provide appliances in Ohio. Section 8 and Voucher landlords are required to provide appliances.BoatShoes;1518869 wrote:Or if they pay rent for a regular place too.....
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I Wear Pants
Posts: 16,223
Oct 16, 2013 12:38pm
Yeah but most people have an oven. Again, I don't have data but I'd be very surprised if a large percentage of people on EBT didn't have a stove/oven.LJ;1518873 wrote:Not necessarily. Landlords don't have to provide appliances in Ohio. Section 8 and Voucher landlords are required to provide appliances.
LJ
Posts: 16,351
Oct 16, 2013 12:38pm
what the fuck is "teh p00rz"?BoatShoes;1518871 wrote:The Congress can place whatever limitations on it that it wants...that does not mean it is still not demeaning and condescending to treat teh p00rz like they can't make proper choices for themselves. It is what it is.
and it's not demeaning and condescending. It's merely the .gov maximizing the benefits they can provide.
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BoatShoes
Posts: 5,703
Oct 16, 2013 12:38pm
LOL, Or you could just throw a chicken breast on a pan on the standard stove available in your average low income apartment.Manhattan Buckeye;1518853 wrote:'Why would you think they can't cook.'
because ovens and cooking gear is expensive. It costs us more to buy a cold chicken and prepare it the way we like as opposed to purchasing a prepared one at the market, and that ignores the upfront cost of the gear. My guess is that most EBT recipients don't have viking ovens, le creuset (or however you spell it) roasting pans and the means to purchase olive oil and spices to properly cook a bird. And then you have to wash the pan. It isn't easy to roast a chicken - you don't just throw it in the oven - and that assumes the recipients own an oven that actually works. Plus with a prepared bird it comes with its own container that you can put in the fridge. If you cook your own you have to purchase another container for leftovers - and then have to clean the container.
LJ
Posts: 16,351
Oct 16, 2013 12:39pm
The majority of people on EBT qualify for at least vouchers, so right, most probably do have said appliances.I Wear Pants;1518874 wrote:Yeah but most people have an oven. Again, I don't have data but I'd be very surprised if a large percentage of people on EBT didn't have a stove/oven.
reclegend22
Posts: 8,772
Oct 16, 2013 12:40pm
One if you count Wal-Mart. How many have you been to?hasbeen;1518858 wrote:How many Third World Country's have you been to?
Although, I've been to parts of Mexico that are definitely Third World-like. Also, the Red Light District in Aruba ranks right up there.
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I Wear Pants
Posts: 16,223
Oct 16, 2013 12:44pm
Most apartments I've looked at have appliances anyway and none of them have been Section 8 or vouchers. I've never known anyone who didn't have a stove regardless of income level.LJ;1518878 wrote:The majority of people on EBT qualify for at least vouchers, so right, most probably do have said appliances.
LJ
Posts: 16,351
Oct 16, 2013 12:47pm
Complexes are not designated by section 8 or vouchers. It's just a form of payment that the landlord accepts, and the housing authority has to inspect the place once per year to ensure that the guidelines are met. You have probably looked at plenty of complexes that accept it.I Wear Pants;1518882 wrote:Most apartments I've looked at have appliances anyway and none of them have been Section 8 or vouchers. I've never known anyone who didn't have a stove regardless of income level.
I know a few guys with rentals (mainly duplexes or quads) that require the renter to provide their own appliances. They do not accept section 8 or vouchers.
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I Wear Pants
Posts: 16,223
Oct 16, 2013 12:49pm
Ah maybe, I'm not really informed on Section 8 or vouchers. I know what they are vaguely but don't know details since I've never needed to look into them for myself.LJ;1518886 wrote:Complexes are not designated by section 8 or vouchers. It's just a form of payment that the landlord accepts, and the housing authority has to inspect the place once per year to ensure that the guidelines are met. You have probably looked at plenty of complexes that accept it.
I know a few guys with rentals (mainly duplexes or quads) that require the renter to provide their own appliances. They do not accept section 8 or vouchers.
Mohican00
Posts: 3,394
Oct 16, 2013 1:02pm
holy shit this is goddamn retardedsleeper;1518859 wrote:Poor people are poor in the long run because they consistently make poor choices.
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I Wear Pants
Posts: 16,223
Oct 16, 2013 1:04pm
You quoted sleeper, saying the post was retarded is redundant.Mohican00;1518900 wrote:holy shit this is goddamn retarded
LJ
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Oct 16, 2013 1:04pm
I looked at accepting vouchers at some of my properties, but the inspections are intrusive and you can only collect so much on damages. The housing authority is only bonded to like $2k per unitI Wear Pants;1518890 wrote:Ah maybe, I'm not really informed on Section 8 or vouchers. I know what they are vaguely but don't know details since I've never needed to look into them for myself.
hasbeen
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Oct 16, 2013 1:05pm
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I Wear Pants
Posts: 16,223
Oct 16, 2013 1:06pm
Either way whether it's because they live in Section 8/voucher accepting places or just because most people tend to have one I think we can agree that people on EBT likely have a stove/oven to cook on.LJ;1518904 wrote:I looked at accepting vouchers at some of my properties, but the inspections are intrusive and you can only collect so much on damages. The housing authority is only bonded to like $2k per unit
Fab4Runner
Posts: 6,196
Oct 16, 2013 1:08pm
I can totally see the reasoning behind buying a block of cheese instead of pre-sliced cheese. Cutting something up is a lot different than all of the work that goes into roasting a chicken. It really is a good amount of work. The pre-cooked ones are much easier and are really versatile. I don't understand the harm in them being allowed. If someone decides that an extra dollar or two are worth it because of the hassle, so be it.
sleeper
Posts: 27,879
Oct 16, 2013 1:08pm
What a well thought out logical response. Tell me, how many poor people went to college, stayed out of jail, worked their whole life, and had children in wedlock? Very few.Mohican00;1518900 wrote:holy shit this is goddamn retarded
Now how many poor people pop out babies before 18, never go to college, spent time in jail, and never held a job? Many.
Logic is not on your side. : thumbup:
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I Wear Pants
Posts: 16,223
Oct 16, 2013 1:09pm
reclegend22;1518880 wrote:One if you count Wal-Mart. How many have you been to?
Although, I've been to parts of Mexico that are definitely Third World-like. Also, the Red Light District in Aruba ranks right up there.
Same thing right?
sleeper
Posts: 27,879
Oct 16, 2013 1:09pm
Walmart being third world is like claiming hot food like hamburger meat can't be bought on an EBT because it needs heated up to eat.
Mohican00
Posts: 3,394
Oct 16, 2013 1:18pm
sleeper;1518913 wrote:What a well thought out logical response. Tell me, how many poor people went to college, stayed out of jail, worked their whole life, and had children in wedlock? Very few.
Now how many poor people pop out babies before 18, never go to college, spent time in jail, and never held a job? Many.
Logic is not on your side. : thumbup:
So....logic equals generalizing an entire group of people as lazy, uneducated delinquents?
They have access to good education, $15 hour entry level positions, and the financial aid necessary to achieve something better in life, but ALL choose not to do that?
That's not even logical
http://money.cnn.com/2011/11/21/news/economy/income_college/index.htm
sleeper
Posts: 27,879
Oct 16, 2013 1:21pm
I said the long run; clearly a term you are unfamiliar with. If poor people were just unlucky across the board, you'd find almost no correlation between the factors I listed above with poverty. Sorry, but reality is, if you are chronically poor you're probably a dumbass who makes consistently poor choices. I don't feel bad for you and I hope your life is as miserable as can be.Mohican00;1518926 wrote:So....logic equals generalizing an entire group of people as lazy, uneducated delinquents?
They have access to good education, $15 hour entry level positions, and the financial aid necessary to achieve something better in life, but ALL choose not to do that?
That's not even logical
http://money.cnn.com/2011/11/21/news/economy/income_college/index.htm
sleeper
Posts: 27,879
Oct 16, 2013 1:25pm
Also your article just proves my point. People with low income make a poor choice not to finish college as well as a poor choice in going to a poor school.
Thanks!
Thanks!
Heretic
Posts: 18,820
Oct 16, 2013 1:28pm
For all we know, that is the same building, as we can only see the inside of it in the top pic and only the outside in the bottom pic.I Wear Pants;1518914 wrote:
Same thing right?
Burden of proof is on you!