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Dec 21, 2013 2:42 PM
This is exactly why I wasn't excited about them making the one game "playoff". they will ride last season for a few years claiming they came so close and don't need to make any real changes etc.
Dec 21, 2013 2:42pm
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Dec 22, 2013 9:43 PM
Can we get a legitimate bat for the cleanup spot?
Dec 22, 2013 9:43pm
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Dec 22, 2013 10:39 PM
CLEconomically Speaking;1556792 wrote:Can we get a legitimate bat for the cleanup spot?
You don't believe a Louisville Slugger is legitimate?
Dec 22, 2013 10:39pm
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Dec 23, 2013 10:41 AM
hasbeen;1556810 wrote:You don't believe a Louisville Slugger is legitimate?
Only if it's corked
Dec 23, 2013 10:41am
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Dec 24, 2013 11:20 AM
When all you go for are "value" signings, you're bound to have a few mentioned in rankings of such.

God forbid they be willing to pay someone what they're worth for once instead
Dec 24, 2013 11:20am
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Dec 24, 2013 12:06 PM
If Bleacher Report things the signing of a bullpen guy who's been so erratic over the last couple years that Chris Perez would be thinking he was looking in a mirror is the #3 best deal, that either says they have no credibility or teams have been overpaying so much that any deal given that's not obscenely favoring the player must be considered great nowadays.
Dec 24, 2013 12:06pm
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Dec 24, 2013 2:15 PM
ehhhh...it's hot stove, heretic....stuff to chew on while waiting for spring training to begin.
teams have been overpaying so much that any deal given that's not obscenely favoring the player must be considered great nowadays.
this....and overpaying they have been doing, indeed!
Dec 24, 2013 2:15pm
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Dec 25, 2013 11:09 AM
Sin Shoo Choo with 20 million a year for years and years. Amazing...that kind of money for a perrenial 285 hitter.
Dec 25, 2013 11:09am
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Dec 26, 2013 9:19 AM
Really liked Hegan. He was one of the more insightful color guys on the radio. And he was a good guy as well.
Dec 26, 2013 9:19am
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Dec 26, 2013 10:21 AM
Footwedge;1557374 wrote:Sin Shoo Choo with 20 million a year for years and years. Amazing...that kind of money for a perrenial 285 hitter.
yeah, crazy. Not to mention, he can't judge a fly ball to save his ass. He does have a cannon though.
Dec 26, 2013 10:21am
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Dec 26, 2013 2:46 PM
^^^if I were an owner and worth a billion dollars, I can't imagine giving 13% of it to Sin Soo Choo:RpS_blink:. Now Choo might earn his $20 mill for a year or two....but in year 5, 6 or 7???? His contract will be an albatross hanging arouind the Rangers neck... who could you trade him to?....who could afford him?... who'd want to?

The same could be said of the Ellsbury contract.
Dec 26, 2013 2:46pm
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Dec 26, 2013 7:28 PM
HitsRus;1557671 wrote:^^^if I were an owner and worth a billion dollars, I can't imagine giving 13% of it to Sin Soo Choo:RpS_blink:. Now Choo might earn his $20 mill for a year or two....but in year 5, 6 or 7???? His contract will be an albatross hanging arouind the Rangers neck... who could you trade him to?....who could afford him?... who'd want to?

The same could be said of the Ellsbury contract.
Agreed, but it is just way the way it is going now....give ridiculous amounts of money for an even more ridiculous amount of time. Then only get production for half of that contract...if you're lucky. You would have thought people would have learned from the Pujols and Arod deals........
Dec 26, 2013 7:28pm
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Jan 2, 2014 4:39 PM
HitsRus;1560934 wrote:Ubaldo asking for $17-20 million per year....Blue Jays interested...Yanks moving in and want to sign him whether they sign tanaka or not.
Well say goodbye to Ubaldo.
Jan 2, 2014 4:39pm
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Jan 2, 2014 4:57 PM
Man...that is a crazy contract if he gets that....so risky with a streaky pitcher
Jan 2, 2014 4:57pm
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Jan 2, 2014 5:41 PM
Yeah, i am all for calling Dolan a cheap POS, but man I can't say I agree with any of the big contracts I saw this off season. It is getting ridiculous. None of these guys are worth what they are getting.
Jan 2, 2014 5:41pm
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Jan 2, 2014 8:12 PM
like_that;1560953 wrote:Yeah, i am all for calling Dolan a cheap POS, but man I can't say I agree with any of the big contracts I saw this off season. It is getting ridiculous. None of these guys are worth what they are getting.
No athlete is worth what they make, but that's a whole other discussion. But yes I agree, last few years the over paying has gotten stupid. What was the last major long term contract that has worked out? If you're a team that isn't willing/able to throw stupid contracts at big names (Indians) you better pray you draft well and build your farm system like the early 90's Indians did.
Jan 2, 2014 8:12pm
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Jan 2, 2014 9:09 PM
Antonetti is on record as saying that the Tribe splurged on Swisher and Bourne last year, because they knew the influx of TV money would drive the price up for these guys to insane amounts.
Jan 2, 2014 9:09pm
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Jan 6, 2014 7:44 PM
Tribe has inked RH reliever Scott Atchison to a minor league contract...he will compete for spot in the pen. Guy has decent numbers but he was on the DL twice last year and is 37 years old.
Jan 6, 2014 7:44pm
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Jan 6, 2014 8:05 PM
Signed Frenchy to a minor league deal.......he won't do crap but I love watching him throwing out runners.
Jan 6, 2014 8:05pm
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Jan 6, 2014 8:39 PM
^^^^That's an interesting pick up and clearly an attempt at catching lightning in a bottle. Francouer once had a promising future, but at age 28, his numbers sank faster than the Titanic.
Jan 6, 2014 8:39pm
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Jan 6, 2014 9:01 PM
He just can't hit and will not walk.

Would love to see him pitch.
Jan 6, 2014 9:01pm
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Jan 8, 2014 6:07 PM
Biggest question for the tribe is the pitching. They got miracle years out of Ubaldo, Kazmir, and a few set up guys. Losing Joe Smith is gonna hurt.

Bourn and Swisher did OK, but did not put up numbers commeasurate with their ridiclous salaries.

I would like to be optimistic, but realistically I expect a return to form in playing sub 500 baseball.

s for the Dolans, they were not rewarded at the turnstyles last season after signing big contracts. It's true that Grady, Hafner and Fausto came off the books but still. The tribe attendence was horrendous given the excitement they brought to Cleveland last fall.
Jan 8, 2014 6:07pm