OSH;1486109 wrote:Regardless of their "high guess," homosexuality isn't nearly as "popular" as what many have proclaimed. And, it is shocking to me that homosexuality issues are at of more importance than some of the key issues that I mentioned (along with the etc.) that affect the majority of people in the United States -- heck, they impact at least 1% which is more than the homosexual population.

To me, it's shocking that there isn't more done about things that can actually make a difference in the whole country rather than <1% of the population. Just something that shocks me.

OSH;1486109 wrote:Regardless of their "high guess," homosexuality isn't nearly as "popular" as what many have proclaimed. And, it is shocking to me that homosexuality issues are at of more importance than some of the key issues that I mentioned (along with the etc.) that affect the majority of people in the United States -- heck, they impact at least 1% which is more than the homosexual population.

To me, it's shocking that there isn't more done about things that can actually make a difference in the whole country rather than <1% of the population. Just something that shocks me.

bases_loaded;1486158 wrote:My point was, our society gets too concerned about things that concern the 1% that they ignore the things effecting the 99.9%. Remember that African warlord that the public bater got everyone fired up about?

cruiser_96;1486121 wrote:Where would you rather we start? The teleological? Ontological?

Either way you must start somewhere, right?

But I do agree with your statement. After all, knowing God exists based on these arguments is all about general revelation. That does not help us know much about that God. As you mention, those who "use cosmological arguments for the existence of God and then act like that establishes and justifies all of the rest of their religious beliefs" must reconcile what kind of God exists. That would depend on from whose vantage point you are looking. After all, a good day for the bird is a bad day for the worm.

bases_loaded;1486158 wrote:My point was, our society gets too concerned about things that concern the 1% that they ignore the things effecting the 99.9%. Remember that African warlord that the public bater got everyone fired up about?

SportsAndLady;1486155 wrote:Even if your stat is correct (1%), who cares if people still want the injustice taken care of? We're only supposed to talk about issues that the effect the majority of Americans? A human being in America can't marry who he/she wants, yet we're supposed to just drop it because we should be talking about the economy?

bases_loaded;1486149 wrote:They aren't a popular issue, the media pushes **** like this and trayvon Martin to distract us from bigger issues like the economy and our continual loss of freedoms.

OSH;1486195 wrote:I was responding to the question in the thread. To me, there are WAY more important things than what affects 1% of the population. I am shocked that there is more of an importance on 1% than something that will affect EVERYONE.



No doubt. I do believe this to be a major player in the situation I have mentioned.

OSH;1486195 wrote:I was responding to the question in the thread. To me, there are WAY more important things than what affects 1% of the population. I am shocked that there is more of an importance on 1% than something that will affect EVERYONE.

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I Wear Pants;1486198 wrote:Yeah, **** minorities, they don't matter. Equal protection is only meant for the majority of citizens, not all of them...

OSH;1486221 wrote:Never said that, but I also don't expect you to add anything positive to a conversation either. Might as well infer and imply, it helps with conversing.

I am all for helping minorities succeed. Hence, why there should be a focal point on education, higher education, healthcare, fiscal issues, etc. That helps minorities and majorities.

I Wear Pants;1486229 wrote:If you want to go the economics route we can:
http://williamsinstitute.law.ucla.edu/category/research/economic-impact-reports/
http://www.cbo.gov/sites/default/files/cbofiles/ftpdocs/55xx/doc5559/06-21-samesexmarriage.pdf
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/10/03/your-money/03money.html?pagewanted=all&_r=1&
http://www-personal.umich.edu/~adamstev/research_files/Stevenson_same_sex_taxes.pdf
http://www.aclu.org/files/assets/amicus_brief_of_278_employers_and_organizations_for_windsor.pdf

OSH;1486239 wrote:Should I go your route and say...those have no validity...everyone knows the ACLU sucks.

I Wear Pants;1486241 wrote:That wasn't who filed the amicus brief, just where the link came from. Unlike your FRI study. The amicus brief was filed by just about every important corporation there is and explained why same-sex couples not receiving the same benefits as heterosexual couples hurt their businesses.

OSH;1486253 wrote:I'm sure same-sex couples not receiving benefits hurt businesses more than the Cuban trade embargo, Obamacare, minimum wage, higher education costs, etc. etc. etc.

I Wear Pants;1486257 wrote:It's low hanging fruit though.

Minimum wage, healthcare reform, and higher education funding are all things that are debated as to what action would benefit the economy the most. (Those are all ones where both sides could whip out plenty of valid research for so lets just skip that).

And again, for someone who seems to think we're wasting time with gay marriage because it doesn't matter you sure object to it a lot. It should happen and it is going to happen anyways so why waste time and money fighting it?

BoatShoes;1486174 wrote:If you're doing a sincere philosophical investigation into the issue, sure, it's as good as any place to start as far as I can tell. But how many people who would say "There must be an uncaused cause" are really trying to ground their beliefs? O-Trap and maybe yourself is about it lol. ...

cruiser_96;1486263 wrote:In the end, I guess, I believe we are here (on this earth) to do more than post on OhioChatter. (Sorry, Justin. Negs...on Wednesday.)

Heretic;1486264 wrote:SPEAK FOR YOURSELF!!!

OSH;1486261 wrote:I didn't know I was wasting any time or money fighting it, yet another assumption (I see a trend here).

All I said, I am shocked that there is more emphasis into homosexual marriage than anything that will actually help the country. I can give many things that should have been done, and done rather easily, to make an impact right away.

I understand, you want to get married. But, I also understand that doing away with pennies and nickels save the country more money. I also understand that potentially changing our currency will save the country more money (i.e., polymer bills). I also understand the Cuban trade embargo does nothing but hinder economies (and tourism). A few things I mentioned have more of an economic impact than the marrying of 1% of the population. As much as I think military funding is important, I'm sure we could also reevaluate that budget to alleviate some of our financial problems. Many things can happen to help out this country.

I am objecting to it "a lot" in this conversation because you want to discuss it. I have simply stated all along that I do think there are more important things that people (and especially politicians) should be concerned with.

OSH;1486261 wrote:
I have simply stated all along that I do think there are more important things that people (and especially politicians) should be concerned with.

Pick6;1486270 wrote:didnt realize iwp is gay