Pick6
Posts: 14,946
Jan 11, 2014 8:57am
Petrino poached Terrell Buckley from Akron's staff to join him at UL.
Classyposter58
Posts: 6,321
Jan 11, 2014 9:18am
Kiffin is a good offensive mind, just a poor leader. Some men just aren't meant to be in charge
lhslep134
Posts: 9,774
Jan 11, 2014 10:15am
WebFire;1565787 wrote:I like how Saban hiring someone automatically makes him good. If that were the case, he wouldn't have told Nuss to look elsewhere. Because he automatically be good.
Or maybe he hired someone who is widely considered to be a brilliant offensive mind and a terrible CEO of a program.
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vball10set
Posts: 24,795
Jan 11, 2014 10:58am
Classyposter58;1565794 wrote:Kiffin is a good offensive mind, just a poor leader. Some men just aren't meant to be in charge
These.lhslep134;1565806 wrote:Or maybe he hired someone who is widely considered to be a brilliant offensive mind and a terrible CEO of a program.
said_aouita
Posts: 8,532
Jan 11, 2014 1:12pm
slingshot4ever;1565321 wrote:UA isn't much better. Nike or fail.
N$ke is the anti-christ of all sports companies.
like_that
Posts: 26,625
Jan 11, 2014 2:01pm
Serious question, other than their shitty running shows (imo) what is your beef with Nike?said_aouita;1565851 wrote:N$ke is the anti-christ of all sports companies.
Fab1b
Posts: 12,949
Jan 11, 2014 3:31pm
Nike's hands were all over Univ. of Oregon dropping their wrestling program to start with...I haven't purchased a Nike product in a while but that said I'll admit I have things that were bought for me.like_that;1565878 wrote:Serious question, other than their shitty running shows (imo) what is your beef with Nike?
like_that
Posts: 26,625
Jan 11, 2014 6:03pm
I know nothing about nikes involvement in that. Any details?Fab1b;1565899 wrote:Nike's hands were all over Univ. of Oregon dropping their wrestling program to start with...I haven't purchased a Nike product in a while but that said I'll admit I have things that were bought for me.
I still put most of the blame on the school.
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MontyBrunswick
Jan 11, 2014 6:32pm
ITT: people claiming Kiffin is good, though he's been a poison everywhere he's gone.
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gport_tennis
Posts: 1,796
Jan 11, 2014 7:21pm
Pretty good offensive coordinator at USC if memory serves me right
LJ
Posts: 16,351
Jan 11, 2014 7:39pm
I believe some duties were shared with Sarkgport_tennis;1565982 wrote:Pretty good offensive coordinator at USC if memory serves me right
More intriguing is how USC had 3 #1 recruiting classes with him as recruiting coord.
Azubuike24
Posts: 15,933
Jan 11, 2014 7:47pm
He's not going to ruin anything at Bama.
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MontyBrunswick
Jan 11, 2014 9:42pm
He also had a team filled with pro-talent that he was hired into.gport_tennis;1565982 wrote:Pretty good offensive coordinator at USC if memory serves me right
He hasn't done anything since then (9 years ago)
I think the problem he is going to run into is that players won't respect him. (see USC)
Azubuike24
Posts: 15,933
Jan 11, 2014 10:56pm
Saban runs a pretty tight ship at Bama. Unlike some of the other coaches in the SEC (and around the country). Every place is going to have it's malcontents, but regardless, any trouble they do have seems to be kept in-house and guys tend to really be under wraps. It's kind of like Duke with Coach K
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WebFire
Posts: 14,779
Jan 11, 2014 11:01pm
And it will be interesting to see how Kiffin responds to being told what to do and how to do it, all the time.Azubuike24;1566125 wrote:Saban runs a pretty tight ship at Bama. Unlike some of the other coaches in the SEC (and around the country). Every place is going to have it's malcontents, but regardless, any trouble they do have seems to be kept in-house and guys tend to really be under wraps. It's kind of like Duke with Coach K
Midstate01
Posts: 14,766
Jan 11, 2014 11:18pm
Azubuike24;1566125 wrote:Saban runs a pretty tight ship at Bama. Unlike some of the other coaches in the SEC (and around the country). Every place is going to have it's malcontents, but regardless, any trouble they do have seems to be kept in-house and guys tend to really be under wraps. It's kind of like Duke with Coach K
TheseWebFire;1566128 wrote:And it will be interesting to see how Kiffin responds to be told what to do and how to do it, all the tine.
Lovejoy1984
Posts: 5,277
Jan 12, 2014 12:21am
Yep, most of the kids he'll be recruiting or coaching don't remember how good an OC he was, though his impact was debatable.dlazz;1566075 wrote:He also had a team filled with pro-talent that he was hired into.
He hasn't done anything since then (9 years ago)
I think the problem he is going to run into is that players won't respect him. (see USC)
They remember his amazing flame out in Oakland, including the overhead projector Al Davis trotted out, bailing on Tennessee after one season, and then following his tank at USC.
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vball10set
Posts: 24,795
Jan 12, 2014 7:41am
This pretty much says it all.Rotinaj;1565652 wrote:Lane Kiffin is a good OC. You people really think Saban would hire a bad one?
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WebFire
Posts: 14,779
Jan 12, 2014 8:54am
vball10set;1566169 wrote:This pretty much says it all.
No it doesn't. If that were the case, Saban would have the same staff he did when he started. He'd never have to fire anyone. SMH
SportsAndLady
Posts: 35,632
Jan 12, 2014 9:47am
What do you mean 'you people'?
Rotinaj
Posts: 7,699
Jan 12, 2014 10:10am
Or he just wanted a change. I doubt Bamas former OC will have a tough time finding a job.WebFire;1566174 wrote:No it doesn't. If that were the case, Saban would have the same staff he did when he started. He'd never have to fire anyone. SMH
Azubuike24
Posts: 15,933
Jan 12, 2014 10:30am
I mean, c'mon. A staff is going to always be looking for a better and higher paying job. We'll never know the truth about most coaching staff moves unless something comes out in the media, but there isn't a coach who goes more than 2 years without a staff change of some sort.WebFire;1566174 wrote:No it doesn't. If that were the case, Saban would have the same staff he did when he started. He'd never have to fire anyone. SMH
Lets put it this way with Kiffin. He very well might not work. However, he's not going to tear down the program. I'd guess if it's not a fit, he'll be gone in 1-2 years.
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WebFire
Posts: 14,779
Jan 12, 2014 10:49am
I said fire, not leave for a different job. The point is, I hate hearing that because Saban hired them, then they have to be good. Hogwash. He his human like the rest of us.Azubuike24;1566195 wrote:I mean, c'mon. A staff is going to always be looking for a better and higher paying job. We'll never know the truth about most coaching staff moves unless something comes out in the media, but there isn't a coach who goes more than 2 years without a staff change of some sort.
Lets put it this way with Kiffin. He very well might not work. However, he's not going to tear down the program. I'd guess if it's not a fit, he'll be gone in 1-2 years.
Kiffin could end up being the greatest OC Alabama has ever had. I just think he has done very little to earn NFL and major college coaching jobs. Then after choking those away, he becomes OC at arguably the best CFB program right now.
My guess is, he'll have 2 or 3 good seasons as OC at Alabama (and again, because Alabama, not because Kiffin), then move on to another HC job where he'll fail again. Then he'll get some other high profile gig because who knows why.
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vball10set
Posts: 24,795
Jan 12, 2014 11:14am
Yes it does, and I think Saban's record over the last decade allows me to say this. If he showed Nussmeier the door, it's because his system wasn't a fit for what Saban wanted, not because he was a bad coordinator. Shake your head all you want, but yes, Saban does not hire bad coordinators. That being said, good luck the next couple of years, 'cause it's anybody's guess how DN will work out at ttun.WebFire;1566174 wrote:No it doesn't. If that were the case, Saban would have the same staff he did when he started. He'd never have to fire anyone. SMH
Azubuike24
Posts: 15,933
Jan 12, 2014 11:18am
Okay, well lets look at it a bit differently here.
1. Kiffin has clearly failed at the head coaching jobs he did get.
2. He's at a place now where everything is in place to succeed.
Now, it may play out like you said, or how I think. I tend to think that Lane was in over his head with the Raiders, and Tennessee, and USC. I mean, he was a head coach at age what, 30? He's 38 years old. He got some opportunities, presumably because of his father's reputation.
I think he will stay at Bama for a while and then get another shot like you said. However, it's way too early to write him off as a failure as a HC because of how young he is. Working under Saban, with the way that program is run, could allow Kiffin to emerge as a new coach who is ready for another shot as the head honcho.
1. Kiffin has clearly failed at the head coaching jobs he did get.
2. He's at a place now where everything is in place to succeed.
Now, it may play out like you said, or how I think. I tend to think that Lane was in over his head with the Raiders, and Tennessee, and USC. I mean, he was a head coach at age what, 30? He's 38 years old. He got some opportunities, presumably because of his father's reputation.
I think he will stay at Bama for a while and then get another shot like you said. However, it's way too early to write him off as a failure as a HC because of how young he is. Working under Saban, with the way that program is run, could allow Kiffin to emerge as a new coach who is ready for another shot as the head honcho.