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Aug 1, 2013 8:53 AM
He was never arrested or charged with a crime. He just won a $4.1m settlement, paid for by us the taxpayers. Also, Uncle Sam is going to take his cut from it even though he is responsible for the incident. Oh yeah, no one was ever fired over this.

Basically, torture is no big deal.

http://www.latimes.com/news/local/la-me-dea-settlement-20130731,0,5395826.story
Aug 1, 2013 8:53am
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Aug 1, 2013 9:09 AM
5 days without water is really, really bad. Considering they basically almost killed him, $4.1M sounds reasonable. Although after the lawyer takes his 1/3, and then Uncle Sam takes @40%...he'll pocket @$1.6M

If not for Bear Grylls, I probably wouldn't have thought I could drink my own urine
Aug 1, 2013 9:09am
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Manhattan Buckeye

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Aug 1, 2013 11:08 AM
I think his post-settlement attorney fee is untaxed. Still doesn't make up for that type of experience, and unfortunately there likely won't be any accountability at the DEA.
Aug 1, 2013 11:08am
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Gardens35

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Aug 1, 2013 11:37 AM
I'm surprised that no one from the San Diego DEA office needed to use the interrogation room for 5 days.
Aug 1, 2013 11:37am
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Aug 1, 2013 11:50 AM
Shouldn't have been smoking marijuana. Not saying the kid deserved to be locked in an interrogation room for 5 days, but kinda goes back to that age old adage... don't put yourself in bad situations. By smoking marijuana, you could be potentially involving yourself in a drug ring. By potentially getting involved in a drug ring, you risk placing yourself in an interrogation room. By placing yourself in an interrogation room, you run the risk of getting trapped in a room with no windows, food, water, etc.

Don't get caught in an interrogation room. Don't smoke marijuana.

That pretty much sounds like the lesson to be learned here, to me.
Aug 1, 2013 11:50am
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Aug 1, 2013 11:54 AM
Scarlet_Buckeye;1481290 wrote:Shouldn't have been smoking marijuana. Not saying the kid deserved to be locked in an interrogation room for 5 days, but kinda goes back to that age old adage... don't put yourself in bad situations. By smoking marijuana, you could be potentially involving yourself in a drug ring. By potentially getting involved in a drug ring, you risk placing yourself in an interrogation room. By placing yourself in an interrogation room, you run the risk of getting trapped in a room with no windows, food, water, etc.

Don't get caught in an interrogation room. Don't smoke marijuana.

That pretty much sounds like the lesson to be learned here, to me.
LOL. No. There is absolutely no excuse for 5 days of torture. None.
Aug 1, 2013 11:54am
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Aug 1, 2013 11:56 AM
Scarlet_Buckeye;1481290 wrote:Shouldn't have been smoking marijuana. Not saying the kid deserved to be locked in an interrogation room for 5 days, but kinda goes back to that age old adage... don't put yourself in bad situations. By smoking marijuana, you could be potentially involving yourself in a drug ring. By potentially getting involved in a drug ring, you risk placing yourself in an interrogation room. By placing yourself in an interrogation room, you run the risk of getting trapped in a room with no windows, food, water, etc.

Don't get caught in an interrogation room. Don't smoke marijuana.

That pretty much sounds like the lesson to be learned here, to me.
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For excessive use of the slippery slope fallacy to blame the use of a generally harmless plant that should NOT be illegal in the first place as a way to justify a complete abuse of authority by the DEA.
Aug 1, 2013 11:56am
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Aug 1, 2013 11:57 AM
A cool million for 5 days drinking my own piss? Hmmmmm.....
Aug 1, 2013 11:57am
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Aug 1, 2013 11:57 AM
America's not for pussys.
Aug 1, 2013 11:57am
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Aug 1, 2013 11:58 AM
LJ;1481297 wrote:A cool million for 5 days drinking my own piss? Hmmmmm.....
Not worth it. Especially after the fed takes their cut. This guy is going to have a lot of problems going forward.
Aug 1, 2013 11:58am
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Aug 1, 2013 11:59 AM
Scarlet_Buckeye;1481290 wrote:Shouldn't have been smoking marijuana. Not saying the kid deserved to be locked in an interrogation room for 5 days, but kinda goes back to that age old adage... don't put yourself in bad situations. By smoking marijuana, you could be potentially involving yourself in a drug ring. By potentially getting involved in a drug ring, you risk placing yourself in an interrogation room. By placing yourself in an interrogation room, you run the risk of getting trapped in a room with no windows, food, water, etc.

Don't get caught in an interrogation room. Don't smoke marijuana.

That pretty much sounds like the lesson to be learned here, to me.
Kinda sounds like the reasoning, cause-and-effct used by the marketing execs for Direct Tv.
Aug 1, 2013 11:59am
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Aug 1, 2013 12:00 PM
justincredible;1481299 wrote:Not worth it. Especially after the fed takes their cut. This guy is going to have a lot of problems going forward.
He's prob gonna get around $1.5 cash

What if they just said "$300k per day in cash"
Aug 1, 2013 12:00pm
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Aug 1, 2013 12:01 PM
Scarlet_Buckeye;1481290 wrote:Shouldn't have been smoking marijuana. Not saying the kid deserved to be locked in an interrogation room for 5 days, but kinda goes back to that age old adage... don't put yourself in bad situations. By smoking marijuana, you could be potentially involving yourself in a drug ring. By potentially getting involved in a drug ring, you risk placing yourself in an interrogation room. By placing yourself in an interrogation room, you run the risk of getting trapped in a room with no windows, food, water, etc.

Don't get caught in an interrogation room. Don't smoke marijuana.

That pretty much sounds like the lesson to be learned here, to me.
Uhhh, WUT?
Aug 1, 2013 12:01pm
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Aug 1, 2013 12:04 PM
LJ;1481303 wrote:He's prob gonna get around $1.5 cash

What if they just said "$300k per day in cash"
more like tree-fiddy....
Aug 1, 2013 12:04pm
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Aug 1, 2013 12:07 PM
LJ;1481303 wrote:He's prob gonna get around $1.5 cash

What if they just said "$300k per day in cash"
I do it for 1 day for a briefcase full of $300k in cash. Maybe 2 for $600k. After that, I'm out.
Aug 1, 2013 12:07pm
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Aug 1, 2013 12:08 PM
Rotinaj;1481304 wrote:Uhhh, WUT?
Look. If you smoke weed you deserve to be tortured. Period. That stuff is dangerous so you need to be taught a lesson.
Aug 1, 2013 12:08pm
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Aug 1, 2013 12:31 PM
justincredible;1481102 wrote:He was never arrested or charged with a crime. He just won a $4.1m settlement, paid for by us the taxpayers. Also, Uncle Sam is going to take his cut from it even though he is responsible for the incident. Oh yeah, no one was ever fired over this.

Basically, torture is no big deal.

http://www.latimes.com/news/local/la-me-dea-settlement-20130731,0,5395826.story


His settlment isnt taxed. Only punitive damages are taxable. Hope this helps, Mr. Anarchy.

IRC
§ 61 states all income from whatever source derived is taxable, unless specifically excluded by another Code section. IRC § 104 is the exclusion from taxable income provision with respect to lawsuits, settlements, and awards.

The 1996 amendment added to IRC § 104(a)(2) the word physical to the clause “on account of personal physical injuries or physical sickness.”•

Therefore, in order for damages to be excludible from income, the judgment or settlement must be derived from personal physical injuries or physical sickness.

Aug 1, 2013 12:31pm
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Aug 1, 2013 12:57 PM
Pick6;1481321 wrote:

His settlment isnt taxed. Only punitive damages are taxable. Hope this helps, Mr. Anarchy.

IRC
§ 61 states all income from whatever source derived is taxable, unless specifically excluded by another Code section. IRC § 104 is the exclusion from taxable income provision with respect to lawsuits, settlements, and awards.

The 1996 amendment added to IRC § 104(a)(2) the word physical to the clause “on account of personal physical injuries or physical sickness.”•

Therefore, in order for damages to be excludible from income, the judgment or settlement must be derived from personal physical injuries or physical sickness.

According to this article it's muddy. Hope this helps, Mr. Pick6.

http://www.forbes.com/sites/robertwood/2013/08/01/student-detained-5-days-without-food-or-water-by-dea-settles-for-4-1m/
Aug 1, 2013 12:57pm
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Aug 1, 2013 1:10 PM
justincredible;1481347 wrote:According to this article it's muddy. Hope this helps, Mr. Pick6.

http://www.forbes.com/sites/robertwood/2013/08/01/student-detained-5-days-without-food-or-water-by-dea-settles-for-4-1m/
He won the settlement on maltreatment, correct? Maltreatment is physical abuse. The kid was never formally arrested or charged. He wasnt a prisoner.

His lawyer isnt stupid. That's why they settled for maltreatment and not "unwrongfully jailed" or whatever. Its pretty clear to me.
Aug 1, 2013 1:10pm
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Aug 1, 2013 1:15 PM
Pick6;1481357 wrote:He won the settlement on maltreatment, correct? Maltreatment is physical abuse. The kid was never formally arrested or charged. He wasnt a prisoner.

His lawyer isnt stupid. That's why they settled for maltreatment and not "unwrongfully jailed" or whatever. Its pretty clear to me.
Well, then, I apologize. It will never happen again.
Aug 1, 2013 1:15pm
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Aug 1, 2013 5:08 PM
thavoice;1481302 wrote:Kinda sounds like the reasoning, cause-and-effct used by the marketing execs for Direct Tv.
Glad someone at least caught it...
Aug 1, 2013 5:08pm
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Aug 1, 2013 6:23 PM
I don't subscribe to the cause and effect statement but neither side is innocent of wrongdoing.
Aug 1, 2013 6:23pm
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Aug 1, 2013 9:51 PM
Con_Alma;1481542 wrote:I don't subscribe to the cause and effect statement but neither side is innocent of wrongdoing.
You don't subscribe to having rational and coherent thoughts, either.
Aug 1, 2013 9:51pm
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Aug 1, 2013 10:08 PM
Scarlet_Buckeye;1481290 wrote:Shouldn't have been smoking marijuana. Not saying the kid deserved to be locked in an interrogation room for 5 days, but kinda goes back to that age old adage... don't put yourself in bad situations. By smoking marijuana, you could be potentially involving yourself in a drug ring. By potentially getting involved in a drug ring, you risk placing yourself in an interrogation room. By placing yourself in an interrogation room, you run the risk of getting trapped in a room with no windows, food, water, etc.

Don't get caught in an interrogation room. Don't smoke marijuana.

That pretty much sounds like the lesson to be learned here, to me.
This is one of the stupidest thing I've ever read...it's crazy to me that people out there actually can say this type of garbage and truly believe it.
Aug 1, 2013 10:08pm
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Aug 1, 2013 10:08 PM
dlazz;1481557 wrote:You don't subscribe to having rational and coherent thoughts, either.

...maybe it's your inability to understand....maybe.
Aug 1, 2013 10:08pm