What happened here is certainly not unique to Ohio State. But it is not occuring everywhere. I believe one of the problems with college football is very evident at Ohio State: Programs have lost their roots and thus their values. Ohio State brought in a hired gun to coach their team. That he's coincidently from Ashtabula makes no difference. He's a hired gun just like Nick Saban or Spurrier or Kiffin, etc. That doesn't make him a bad person. In fact he seems like a good coach from an x's and o's perspective. But I don't believe he has the school's best interests in mind because he is not motivated to do so. These types of hired gun guys are becoming the rule at big time programs. With their $4million salaries and perks, I think they are going to continue to drag college football down. If schools lose their roots, college football is nothing more than mini NFL. And in that department it can't compete at all.

Dr Winston O'Boogie;1477294 wrote:What happened here is certainly not unique to Ohio State. But it is not occuring everywhere. I believe one of the problems with college football is very evident at Ohio State: Programs have lost their roots and thus their values. Ohio State brought in a hired gun to coach their team. That he's coincidently from Ashtabula makes no difference. He's a hired gun just like Nick Saban or Spurrier or Kiffin, etc. That doesn't make him a bad person. In fact he seems like a good coach from an x's and o's perspective. But I don't believe he has the school's best interests in mind because he is not motivated to do so. These types of hired gun guys are becoming the rule at big time programs. With their $4million salaries and perks, I think they are going to continue to drag college football down. If schools lose their roots, college football is nothing more than mini NFL. And in that department it can't compete at all.

Oh shut the fuck up

wildcats20;1477296 wrote:Oh shut the **** up

Reps.

wildcats20;1477296 wrote:Oh shut the fuck up

vball10set;1477305 wrote:Reps.

See my post on the OSU thread regarding Winston..

SportsAndLady;1476854 wrote:Yes, please go into how this is a microcosm of society and how it affects us in a socialistic way...

We all can't wait for that post...

What is wrong with debating topics in a respectful way on a message board? What's the fun if everyone just echos the same thing? It tells me something about someone who, when they read something they disagree with, has to go immediately to the name calling instead of refuting a point.

Dr Winston O'Boogie;1477322 wrote:What is wrong with debating topics in a respectful way on a message board? What's the fun if everyone just echos the same thing? It tells me something about someone who, when they read something they disagree with, has to go immediately to the name calling instead of refuting a point.

I agree with you there but GFY!

LJ;1477011 wrote:How many coaches will UC go through before Meyer leaves? How many NC will Meyer win before UC wins a BCS bowl? How many BCS bowls will OSU win before UC gets into a big boy conference?

You kind of proved his point about winning cures all with this post.

WebFire;1477346 wrote:You kind of proved his point about winning cures all with this post.

It's just the same shit that we went through with Tressel and Cooper with arrests. I bet Woody's players got into even more trouble than we ever knew about. I honestly don't see anything different today than it was a few years ago with Irrizary robbing people, or the one dude having child porn and running drugs, etc.

Ohio State is one of the few universities that is right in the middle of a major metropolitan area, so you instantly hear about any underage ticket or minor thing.

Dr Winston O'Boogie;1477294 wrote:What happened here is certainly not unique to Ohio State. But it is not occuring everywhere.

Give me three major programs where it is not.

queencitybuckeye;1477387 wrote:Give me three major programs where it is not.

Northwestern, Rice and Wyoming!

queencitybuckeye;1477387 wrote:Give me three major programs where it is not.

Most any DIII school.

Dr Winston O'Boogie;1477407 wrote:Most any DIII school.

LOL

Dr Winston O'Boogie;1477407 wrote:Most any DIII school.

I went to a DIII school, it's probably worse. Those kids really have no accountability.

LJ;1477413 wrote:I went to a DIII school, it's probably worse. Those kids really have no accountability.

I went to a D1 school in Ohio (not OSU) and was friends w/ a lot of the basketball players. It was an all out party all the time. Those guys didn't give a ####

vdubb96;1477428 wrote:I went to a D1 school in Ohio (not OSU) and was friends w/ a lot of the basketball players. It was an all out party all the time. Those guys didn't give a ####

With no scholarship at risk, 50 person recruiting classes, and not as much structure overall, DIII players really just don't care. It seems like there was a new football player arrested for assault every other week or so when I was in college.

LJ;1477431 wrote:With no scholarship at risk, 50 person recruiting classes, and not as much structure overall, DIII players really just don't care. It seems like there was a new football player arrested for assault every other week or so when I was in college.

I can believe that.

Dr Winston O'Boogie;1477407 wrote:Most any DIII school.

No offense to the Mt. Unions of the world, but by definition, D3 are not major programs. Care to try again, or if you can't do better, admit you were wrong and move on?

vdubb96;1477405 wrote:Northwestern, Rice and Wyoming!

One of those is legit major, as Northwestern is a respectable major conference program.

Dr Winston O'Boogie;1477407 wrote:Most any DIII school.

No. Just no.

Dr Winston O'Boogie;1477294 wrote:What happened here is certainly not unique to Ohio State. But it is not occuring everywhere. I believe one of the problems with college football is very evident at Ohio State: Programs have lost their roots and thus their values. Ohio State brought in a hired gun to coach their team. That he's coincidently from Ashtabula makes no difference. He's a hired gun just like Nick Saban or Spurrier or Kiffin, etc. That doesn't make him a bad person. In fact he seems like a good coach from an x's and o's perspective. But I don't believe he has the school's best interests in mind because he is not motivated to do so. These types of hired gun guys are becoming the rule at big time programs. With their $4million salaries and perks, I think they are going to continue to drag college football down. If schools lose their roots, college football is nothing more than mini NFL. And in that department it can't compete at all.

Idiot Post of the Week.

At least this wasn't at OSU:

http://collegefootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/07/22/report-teammates-videotaped-mtsu-player-choking-female-victim/related/

police report, which alleges that two Blue Raider players – cornerback Rodney O’Neal and defensive tackle Marcus Robinson — videotaped teammate J.D. Jones allegedly choking a female victim. The choking, the report states, was an attempt by the defensive tackle to get the female to cough up money that would be used to buy marijuana.

Heh..."cough up money". Good stuff!

Commander of Awesome;1477491 wrote:Idiot Post of the Week.

Because someone has a different opinion about college football than the lemmings on here, you guys have to resort to name calling. You can parse it whatever way you want. My original point was that college football has gotten to a bad place when players have to activly be encouraged not to commit felonies. I don't believe that the programs used to be pure as the wind driven snow by any means. I'm only saying that the culture around it has changed in the last twenty years.

Dr Winston O'Boogie;1477515 wrote:Because someone has a different opinion about college football than the lemmings on here, you guys have to resort to name calling. You can parse it whatever way you want. My original point was that college football has gotten to a bad place when players have to activly be encouraged not to commit felonies. I don't believe that the programs used to be pure as the wind driven snow by any means. I'm only saying that the culture around it has changed in the last twenty years.

Yeah I know, you said that the first time. Hired guns? lolz

lol @ "lemmings"

Dr Winston O'Boogie;1477515 wrote:Because someone has a different opinion about college football than the lemmings on here, you guys have to resort to name calling. You can parse it whatever way you want. My original point was that college football has gotten to a bad place when players have to activly be encouraged not to commit felonies. I don't believe that the programs used to be pure as the wind driven snow by any means. I'm only saying that the culture around it has changed in the last twenty years.

I've been reading without commenting, but thought I'd throw in my two cents.

I partially agree in the sense that players feel a sense of entitlement these days. They feel that much of what they want should be GIVEN to them as opposed to being earned. This is different from earlier eras where professional athletes earned less than our college athletes are making these days. In those days, athletes felt blessed to be playing a game they loved for the ability to support their families. Today, people complain because they are making $5M/year while the guy next to them is making $5.2M. We would do better to begin stripping the benefits of college athletes instead of banning them, suspending them, or cutting them loose.

I know this will never happen because there is too much money at stake for schools and television stations, but this is just my take after watching the transformation of athletes (college and professional) in general reach this point.