Will Zimmerman get a fair trial in the Travon Martin case?

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Aug 24, 2013 3:04 AM
Why the fuck is this still a thing?
Aug 24, 2013 3:04am
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Aug 24, 2013 11:17 AM
O-Trap;1490687 wrote:Why the fuck is this still a thing?
Because a certain dumbass demographic on both sides refuses to let anything die ever.
Aug 24, 2013 11:17am
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Aug 27, 2013 8:35 AM
Zimmy is now suing the State of FL for recovery of $300K in Defense fees. This guy has balls as big as globes and solid brass...walks away from a slam-dunk murder wrap and then pokes the Tiger in the eye with a stick.

Go away quietly into the night asswipe, ya gotta away with murder...literally.
Aug 27, 2013 8:35am
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Aug 27, 2013 9:25 AM
"Salm-dunk murder wrap", huh?
Aug 27, 2013 9:25am
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Aug 27, 2013 9:50 AM
Tiernan;1491814 wrote:Zimmy is now suing the State of FL for recovery of $300K in Defense fees. This guy has balls as big as globes and solid brass...walks away from a slam-dunk murder wrap and then pokes the Tiger in the eye with a stick.

Go away quietly into the night asswipe, ya gotta away with murder...literally.
He's not "suing" them. He's entitled to reimbursement of those expenses under Florida law.

http://www.cnn.com/2013/08/26/justice/george-zimmerman-court-costs/index.html
Aug 27, 2013 9:50am
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Aug 27, 2013 9:59 AM
fish82;1491859 wrote: He's entitled to reimbursement of those expenses under Florida law.
I know if Im ever going to murder somebody I'm gonna find away to lure them to FL before I do it...everybody gets off!

...well if you're white that is.
Aug 27, 2013 9:59am
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Aug 27, 2013 10:41 AM
The Florida Judicial Administration which is where Zimmy would get the refund from is prepared to challenge most of the expenses his band of shysters are claiming he is entiltled to...so he will in fact end up "sueing" the state (if) he decides to pursue it after the FJA says "go fuck yourself".

Thus Tiernan is right agin.
Aug 27, 2013 10:41am
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Aug 27, 2013 12:04 PM
Tiernan;1491862 wrote:I know if Im ever going to murder somebody I'm gonna find away to lure them to FL before I do it...everybody gets off!

...well if you're white that is.
If it's a black person, don't let them lead you to California. Apparently black people get off there, since OJ did.
Aug 27, 2013 12:04pm
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Aug 27, 2013 12:57 PM
Tiernan;1491887 wrote:The Florida Judicial Administration which is where Zimmy would get the refund from is prepared to challenge most of the expenses his band of shysters are claiming he is entiltled to...so he will in fact end up "sueing" the state (if) he decides to pursue it after the FJA says "go **** yourself".

Thus Tiernan is right agin.
It's not the FJA's call. They can say "GFY" all they want, but they don't decide if they're paid or not. A judge will make the call, and if he tells them to pay, they'll pay.

The only way Zimmerman doesn't get paid, is if he submits expenses outside what are allowed by the law. If his lawyers submit the expenses properly, then unless the Florida assembly changes the law on the books - he's getting paid.
Aug 27, 2013 12:57pm
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Aug 27, 2013 1:10 PM
FJA has already said they expect to challenge ALL expenses submitted by Zimmy. I suspect a judge will follow their recommendations. If not and this turd gets anything more than a parking meter validation, it will be a travesty beyond the unthinkable that has already taken place.
Aug 27, 2013 1:10pm
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Aug 27, 2013 1:15 PM
Tiernan;1491952 wrote:I suspect a judge will follow their recommendations.
He's entitled to some reimbursement since the prosecution was clearly motivated by politics rather than evidence.

That said, he got a ton of donations for his defense that should be taken into account. On the other hand, he's probably entitled to an amount up to what a state provided defense might have cost.
Aug 27, 2013 1:15pm
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Aug 27, 2013 1:37 PM
gut;1491954 wrote:He's entitled to some reimbursement since the prosecution was clearly motivated by politics rather than evidence.

That said, he got a ton of donations for his defense that should be taken into account. On the other hand, he's probably entitled to an amount up to what a state provided defense might have cost.

State provided defense= life in prison.

How much is that worth?:D
Aug 27, 2013 1:37pm
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Aug 27, 2013 1:46 PM
gport_tennis;1491968 wrote:State provided defense= life in prison.

How much is that worth?:D
I agree. However I don't think the state should be obligated to provide the best defense money can buy (I'm not debating whatever the FL statute happens to be).

An interesting aspect to all the coverage this case got is that it enabled Zimmerman to raise donations to buy a top legal defense team. On the other hand, he otherwise probably wouldn't have been charged.
Aug 27, 2013 1:46pm
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Aug 27, 2013 1:59 PM
Tiernan;1491814 wrote:Go away quietly into the night asswipe, ya gotta away with murder...literally.


Yeah, we should have skipped the jury trial.



Some sore losers out there.





Now, back to the real story --- how about some Justice for Delbert!
Aug 27, 2013 1:59pm
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Aug 27, 2013 2:02 PM
QuakerOats;1491973 wrote:Yeah, we should have skipped the jury trial.
To be fair, under an imaginary set of facts Zimmerman was clearly guilty of murder.
Aug 27, 2013 2:02pm
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Aug 27, 2013 2:17 PM
So, the local authorities who had all the facts determined they could not charge Mr. Zimmerman (a decision later vindicated by the jury's ruling); yet the state pressed on anyhow bowing to pressure from left-wing, race-baiting pimps and rent-a-mobs hired by radical activist organizations to stir up controversy. And thus, Mr. Zimmerman was forced to hire legal counsel even though he was unfairly targeted, and now, after being vindicated, is seeking reimbursement. I hope he wins his claims for reimbursement; maybe those who caved to the radicals will not be so improperly, and incorrectly, swayed the next time.
Aug 27, 2013 2:17pm
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Aug 27, 2013 2:48 PM
To those of you who wondered this...
dlazz;1489379 wrote:Can't believe people are still talking about this
O-Trap;1490687 wrote:Why the fuck is this still a thing?
I give you this.....
Tiernan;1491814 wrote:walks away from a slam-dunk murder wrap and then pokes the Tiger in the eye with a stick.

Go away quietly into the night asswipe, ya gotta away with murder...literally.
Tiernan;1491862 wrote:I know if Im ever going to murder somebody I'm gonna find away to lure them to FL before I do it...everybody gets off!

...well if you're white that is.
Aug 27, 2013 2:48pm
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Aug 27, 2013 3:49 PM
I give you this mllm
Aug 27, 2013 3:49pm
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Aug 27, 2013 11:51 PM
gut;1491969 wrote:I agree. However I don't think the state should be obligated to provide the best defense money can buy (I'm not debating whatever the FL statute happens to be).

An interesting aspect to all the coverage this case got is that it enabled Zimmerman to raise donations to buy a top legal defense team. On the other hand, he otherwise probably wouldn't have been charged.
This wont pay for his defense team. Just whatever it cost to pay for their witnesses to come in for trial etc. he is on the hook for the $400-500 an hour he paid O'Mara and West.
Aug 27, 2013 11:51pm
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Aug 28, 2013 12:01 AM
Glory Days;1492235 wrote:This wont pay for his defense team. Just whatever it cost to pay for their witnesses to come in for trial etc. he is on the hook for the $400-500 an hour he paid O'Mara and West.
So he files bankruptcy.

Fuck it, that's the American dream.
Aug 28, 2013 12:01am
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Aug 28, 2013 12:17 AM
Trueblue23;1492237 wrote:So he files bankruptcy.

Fuck it, that's the American dream.
Bankruptcy, then a book deal, movie rights, and speaking engagements.

He'll get a lot of his debts knocked down in his bankruptcy, and then he'll get a stream of potential revenue from others looking to exploit the event once those debts have been lowered.

It really is the American dream.
Aug 28, 2013 12:17am
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Aug 28, 2013 2:03 AM
I'm not sure if legal fees can be discharged in bankruptcy. I'm sure they've already gotten a nice chunk, and with the publicity the rest is an easy write-off.

But he's also facing a potential civil judgement. Based on some of the jury comments I saw, I suspect he may be paying the Martin's a fee bucks in a wrongful death suit.
Aug 28, 2013 2:03am
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Aug 28, 2013 7:26 AM
gut;1492252 wrote:I'm not sure if legal fees can be discharged in bankruptcy. I'm sure they've already gotten a nice chunk, and with the publicity the rest is an easy write-off.

But he's also facing a potential civil judgement. Based on some of the jury comments I saw, I suspect he may be paying the Martin's a fee bucks in a wrongful death suit.
Stand Your Ground applies to civil suits as well. The Martins better get cracking on their own book if they want to cash in more than they already have.
Aug 28, 2013 7:26am