sleeper;1454841 wrote:The problem is any time you try to bring up the welfare problem you get labeled a racist. You can't do anything in today's PC culture; it's a joke.

Is getting labeled a racist worse than solving the problem you have with funding welfare?

Con_Alma;1454842 wrote:It doesn't solve the problem. The problem to those with whom you think the issue will be a debate isn't that contraceptives are immoal but rather that we have an immoral society as you put it. Contraceptives don't solve that problem...especially if they are free. No thanks.

Solve the problem then Con_Alma. You seem to be one of those types that points out problems and then offer no solution to the problem. If you worked for me, I'd fire you for being a shitty thinker and whiny bitch. :thumbup:

Con_Alma;1454843 wrote:Is getting labeled a racist worse than solving the problem you have with funding welfare?

Sadly it is. I have no problems with people that aren't white, but minorities are annoying as hell with their racist baiting and racist cries. Seriously, try criticizing anything Obama to someone who isn't white and they will start berating you as a racist. It's a joke.

sleeper;1454850 wrote:Sadly it is. I have no problems with people that aren't white, but minorities are annoying as hell with their racist baiting and racist cries. Seriously, try criticizing anything Obama to someone who isn't white and they will start berating you as a racist. It's a joke.

If being labeled a racist is worse than addressing the issue then we get what we got. It's a trade off.

Con_Alma;1454862 wrote:If being labeled a racist is worse than addressing the issue then we get what we got. It's a trade off.

Con_Alma, I believe we call this a "lose-lose". Are you happy with that scenario?

sleeper;1454882 wrote:Con_Alma, I believe we call this a "lose-lose". Are you happy with that scenario?

Happy ? ...not necessarily but I am realistic about it. I also, however, am not as concerned as you are about being labeled a racist or anything else for that matter. I'm a little surprised that someone labeling you is enough for you to withdraw your efforts to change something you feel so passionate about.

I know if I had good intentions or not and so do you about yourself.

Con_Alma;1454891 wrote:Happy ? ...not necessarily but I am realistic about it. I also, however, am not as concerned as you are about being labeled a racist or anything else for that matter. I'm a little surprised that someone labeling you is enough for you to withdraw your efforts to change something you feel so passionate about.

I know if I had good intentions or not and so do you about yourself.

I'm not passionate about it. Please do not assume anything about me before confirming with me. I'm appalled and offended that you would attach labels to myself but I respect your opinion and understand that you are not happy with the situation but have no solutions to the problem.

I can understand how you wouldn't be willing to labeled a racist then if you aren't passionate about the issue.

You have no more of a solution than I do. Both of us have ideas that a speculative. I have agreed with the ideas above which would eliminate the incentive to continue this behavior....although I certainly wouldn't call them my solutions.

I didn't think it was a solution you were seeking as much as an opinion on your proposal. That was the premise the thread was created on, wasn't it?

I only care about solutions. I have presented mine; you have done nothing but bitch about the problem and provided a solution that people should just be "more moral". :thumbdown:

sleeper;1454906 wrote:I only care about solutions. I have presented mine; you have done nothing but bitch about the problem and provided a solution that people should just be "more moral". :thumbdown:

I wouldn't bitch about this situation at all. My simple view is I pay for the issue and if I didn't pay for this issue the same amount I pay would simply be diverted to some other social issue.

I also have never said people should be more moral....anywhere in this thread.

Another has stated our society is not moral. If I accept that premise, I don't believe providing the tools to avoid pregnancy is going to solve the issue. They won't be used. It's cultural. It's a lifestyle. Didn't you agree with some part of that?

Con_Alma;1454913 wrote:I wouldn't bitch about this situation at all. My simple view is I pay for the issue and if I didn't pay for this issue the same amount I pay would simply be diverted to some other social issue.

I also have never said people should be more moral....anywhere in this thread.

Another has stated our society is not moral. If I accept that premise, I don't believe providing the tools to avoid pregnancy is going to solve the issue. They won't be used. It's cultural. It's a lifestyle. Didn't you agree with some part of that?

Yes I think we are on the same page. You'd prefer people didn't get pregnant until they can afford the child and I agree. How many kids do you have Con_Alma?

sleeper;1454919 wrote:Yes I think we are on the same page. You'd prefer people didn't get pregnant until they can afford the child and I agree. How many kids do you have Con_Alma?

I'd prefer people not have a government incentive to reproduce. I don't care when they get pregnant. It doesn't change my life one bit.

sleeper;1454691 wrote:I have two friends(former but they are still connected with me on Facebook) that recently just had their second child. Only one of them works and its a shitty job at a retail store(can't be more than $10/hr). It seems the whole pregnancy was this glorified celebratory experience when in reality these people are being grossly irresponsible. Why do we as a society celebrate stupid people with no money having children they cannot afford?

I don't think these people are bad parents, but they shouldn't be having children until they can afford it withstanding government support.

Thoughts? :thumbup:

Yeah...if they need govt support I'm not a fan.

LMAO....it's all a tax-payer funded liberal voter registration racket

sleeper;1454796 wrote:Sorry, but virtual any woman with half a brain in this country(I realize that's a small number) are on birth control(mostly the pill). I can't remember the last time I wore a condom because I simply won't have sex with a woman who isn't on birth control. There's 2 reasons behind this, #1 being I don't trust condoms and they suck so what's the point anyways? #2, a woman on birth control signals to me that she goes to get things checked out down there on the regular and actually gives a shit what enters her body.

And you know they're on the pill because they tell you they are? Because they have it in their bathroom when you go to their place (so they don't know where you live )?

Tell me you don't just take every woman's word for it. You don't want some gold-digger looking for an easy payday a la child support.

sleeper;1454827 wrote:Except these people breeding are having children that are going to suck from the teet their whole lives too. Shitty and irresponsible parents breed the future shitty and irresponsible citizens.

This is a pet peeve for me.

I was speaking with a woman the other day, the leader of a local youth center where I am involved. I, and several others, were raising an issue with one of the guardians (grandmother of several kids in the programming). The woman improperly medicates the kids, sometimes keeps them up all night, leaves them home alone (they are both under six years old, and one has an IQ of 63 ... both were crack babies), and apparently doesn't feed them regularly.

I said we needed to do something. #1, we needed to have a frank conversation with the grandmother to ensure the boys get better treatment. #2, if she continues in this pattern, we need to call CPS.

The woman to whom I was speaking replied with this ... I shit you not: "Well, we need to tread lightly. We've built a good relationship with her, and we don't want to make her upset. Plus, you have to remember that all those things are part of the culture."

No, we don't need to tread lightly. Not at the further risk of these kids who, if we continue to do the same thing we've been doing, will perpetuate this cycle! If we've built a good relationship with her, then I think it's okay for us to have a frank conversation with her. If it's not, then we haven't built that good a relationship at all.

And fuck the culture. The culture is part of what is screwed up. I'm not saying we vilify everyone who has grown up in it, but hey, maybe we should try to CHANGE the fucked up parts of the culture ... STARTING WITH THE KIDS WHO DON'T YET PERPETUATE IT!

This woman does love the people, but sometimes I want to slap her and maybe get it into her head that loving someone does not equal enabling them. Fucking A!

ccrunner609;1454923 wrote:if people wish to have kids, they should raise them. Not the american taxpayer.

And I know that around here, a single generation of that being enforced would go a LONG way toward people wrapping up.

O-Trap;1455130 wrote:...


And I know that around here, a single generation of that being enforced would go a LONG way toward people wrapping up.

...and there you go. Question answered.

@O'Trap Keep up the good work. We need more people like you that care about youth.

And you know they're on the pill because they tell you they are? Because they have it in their bathroom when you go to their place (so they don't know where you live )?

Tell me you don't just take every woman's word for it. You don't want some gold-digger looking for an easy payday a la child support.

I don't sleep with poor women. Poor women are for poor people.

sleeper;1455177 wrote:I don't sleep with poor women. Poor women are for poor people.

Ok then. Tell me how you get a female ( I presume ) to present a letter of birth control from her physician, And 3 years of tax returns and her bank statements after you have talked them into sex, and before you have it.

Devils Advocate;1455232 wrote:Ok then. Tell me how you get a female ( I presume ) to present a letter of birth control from her physician, And 3 years of tax returns and her bank statements after you have talked them into sex, and before you have it.

It's all about signaling. Typically highly educated women that have something going for them don't want to get knocked up. I mostly sleep only with B1G grads and Ivy league grads(if I feel like slumming it) that have a job with a salary. When the time comes, if they ask me to put a condom on I'll say I don't have one. If they have one, I'll say it doesn't fit. After that, I'll know for sure if they are on pill or not. Some girls still won't do it bareback unless they get to know you better; and that all depends on how hot she is if I'm willing to wait around. :thumbup:

I got it. If he wench says she graduated from Brown, she gets banged, with or without her teef.

sleeper;1455177 wrote:I don't sleep with poor women. Poor women are for poor people.

Successful gold-diggers aren't poor, and that is because well-off guys assume they're not lying about being on the pill.

O-Trap;1455283 wrote:Successful gold-diggers aren't poor, and that is because well-off guys assume they're not lying about being on the pill.

Successful gold diggers have children. I don't bang moms. :thumbup:

Devils Advocate;1455249 wrote:I got it. If he wench says she graduated from Brown, she gets banged, with or without her teef.

Only if I'm slumming it.

sleeper;1454894 wrote:I'm not passionate about it. Please do not assume anything about me before confirming with me. I'm appalled and offended that you would attach labels to myself but I respect your opinion and understand that you are not happy with the situation but have no solutions to the problem.

This statement brings the lulz.