september63 wrote: Atleast we agree. ND has underachieved for a decade or more. There cannot be any arguement about this!! Regular season AND bowl games. (1-9) last 10 bowl games doesnt reflect much success.

I agree with that.

I'm also happy to see that you came to your senses and waved the white flag.

I love how ND fans got their panties in a bunch over a win over a 24th ranked PSU team. Really? You know its bad when they have to get all defensive over a mediocre victory of an average PSU team, seeing as that their greatest accomplishment in the past 20 years is a close loss to USC and a bowl victory against a 6-6 depleted Hawaii team.

september63 wrote: Atleast we agree. ND has underachieved for a decade or more. There cannot be any arguement about this!! Regular season AND bowl games. (1-9) last 10 bowl games doesnt reflect much success.

Underachieved is a bad word. I think ND has been doing very well for itself over the past 20 years, you can't really expect them to be competitive anymore. A 9 game bowl losing streak(NCAA record) is right about where I'd put a program of ND's stature at. Maybe next year they will lose another bowl game if they decide to accept it.

sleeper wrote: I love how ND fans got their panties in a bunch over a win over a 24th ranked PSU team. Really? You know its bad when they have to get all defensive over a mediocre victory of an average PSU team, seeing as that their greatest accomplishment in the past 20 years is a close loss to USC and a bowl victory against a 6-6 depleted Hawaii team.

My posts had everything to do with september63's inaccuracy. You want to keep shit factual, right? I was just doing my part in that regard. For the record, Penn State being ranked 24th/25th in the final poll of the '06 season doesn't make ND look any better.

september63 wrote: Atleast we agree. ND has underachieved for a decade or more. There cannot be any arguement about this!! Regular season AND bowl games. (1-9) last 10 bowl games doesnt reflect much success.

You're an idiot who makes arguments and changes his points and makes different attacks when corrected. I believe you are the one grasping for straws.

Unranked and being ranked 24 or 25 depending on the poll? Is being pretty petty over facts. Especially when the whole arguement started about them not beating Top 20, 10 or 5 teams in how long?

last I checked my numbers............24 or 25 doesnt mean you were in the Top 20!!

Serious question... how is the flock of Notre Dame fans that stormed this thread clearly labeled "Notre Dame Haters" to post bashing or sarcastic remarks any different from the flock of Notre Dame haters that storm every Notre Dame fans thread to post bashing or sarcastic remarks?

It just seems so very hypocritical.

september63 wrote: Unranked and being ranked 24 or 25 depending on the poll? Is being pretty petty over facts. Especially when the whole arguement started about them not beating Top 20, 10 or 5 teams in how long?

last I checked my numbers............24 or 25 doesnt mean you were in the Top 20!!

But the "numbers" do mean that they were in fact ranked. You said = Penn State finished 2006 unranked. Truth = Penn State did finish 2006 ranked. Details are important.....especially when you're talking about backing up your stats.

Damn, I thought we discussed this. Now I'm gonna have to wait for your corner to stop it.

Throw in the towel!!!!

Mulva wrote: Serious question... how is the flock of Notre Dame fans that stormed this thread clearly labeled "Notre Dame Haters" to post bashing or sarcastic remarks any different from the flock of Notre Dame haters that storm every Notre Dame fans thread to post bashing or sarcastic remarks?

It just seems so very hypocritical.

There is no difference and I think they know this but then again with most of them one does wonder.

Are people really that blind to see that this is a satirical thread?? Yes, I really made a place for ND bashers to hate on ND... Yup that's what I wanna do, wasn't making fun of anyone at all....

Dish what out? Calling out people who come on ND threads and post things that aren't correct? Or oh, you meant all the times I go and post bullshit on OSU threads? Wait a minute, I don't go on OSU threads...

In thinking about it, I will admit another thing about ND is that they have been one of the best NFL factories. Over the last 10 years not so much, but they've still put out quite a bit of talent.