Getting so worked up in the schedule argument is pointless. Teams only have so much control over who they schedule and can only do so much to make their schedule 'strong' in any given year when schedules are finalized years before they are even played. Some talk about Notre Dame more because of their independent status and freedom to schedule who they please but, even then, there's only so much Notre Dame can do to have a strong schedule in any given season.

I also agree with you that, other than USC, they have beaten their rivals. ND split with Michigan so that's a push. But take out USC and insert Ohio State and Michigan has had the same problem.

Notre Dame won 1 bowl game this decade and went to 5 of them. And lost 5 straight before that. I would say the point of bowl games is true. I will admit that OSU's bowl game record since 1994 hasn't been stellar (6-8) before anyone brings up OSU's recent bowl struggles.

athlete37 wrote: That still puts Notre Dame in the mix with the top 25. I respect your point though. I believe the point others made about ND being irrelevant or the fact that they can't beat rivals or win a bowl game are all untrue, as well as the fact that the ND schedule is weak.

Why the fuck did you start a thread for people to hate on Notre Dame if you're gonna throw a fit about someone bashing you're precious irish.

Face it, you're team blows. Get over it

So this is what it is like to have a reasonable conversation with a buckeye fan on here that presents his views in an intellectual and respectful manner. I could get used to this. I will admit that I was frustrated that the previous poster had to change his argument without acknowledging he was wrong about ND being irrelevant. The argument he changed to was arbitrary and party untrue. BTW, in regards to scheduling, I am happy to see that Ohio State has played USC and is soon to play Miami. They stepped up to the plate when they signed on for that

^^^ obviously this post is referring to dtdtim, slide got a post in between tho...

slide22 wrote:

athlete37 wrote: That still puts Notre Dame in the mix with the top 25. I respect your point though. I believe the point others made about ND being irrelevant or the fact that they can't beat rivals or win a bowl game are all untrue, as well as the fact that the ND schedule is weak.

Why the fuck did you start a thread for people to hate on Notre Dame if you're gonna throw a fit about someone bashing you're precious irish.

Face it, you're team blows. Get over it

Because you directly quoted one of my posts, and I found the flaw with your addressing of that post. You threw another post at me, I addressed that. You're arguments blow, get over it

Rabble Rabble Rabble!!! Relax fellas, it's Christmas.

Let me go on record saying that I'm not a ND hater.

I have posted things that could be perceived as negative against ND, but that was once due to the ignorance of Rock_Knute and Karen Lotz.

I'm a Buckeye fan that tries to be as unbiased as possible.

Ya, you're fine DaBrowns, I'm talking about the obvious idiots and I think we all know who they are. I don't post on Ohio State threads 90 percent of the time, but some idiots feel the need to post their opinion of ND on every ND thread. And most of the time the OSU fans that post on every ND thread are the ignorant ones. For all I know there are a lot of reasonable OSU fans like you that I am just unaware of because I dont go on OSU threads

athlete37 wrote: Ya, you're fine DaBrowns, I'm talking about the obvious idiots and I think we all know who they are. I don't post on Ohio State threads 90 percent of the time, but some idiots feel the need to post their opinion of ND on every ND thread. And most of the time the OSU fans that post on every ND thread are the ignorant ones. For all I know there are a lot of reasonable OSU fans like you that I am just unaware of because I dont go on OSU threads

Well, as long as I've been in the JJ community, I can (unfortunately) admit that there are a TON of ignorant Buckeye fans. But every fan has it's problem fans that can't face reality and be unbiased.

I had a pretty good relationship with Michigan fans on the other Huddle, despite being a Buckeye fan because I don't try to act like my team is elite. Even after 2002 when we won the NC game, I never tried to rub it in.

Perhaps it's easier for me to be a realistic Buckeye fan due to my Browns ties and not being able to talk any shit.

You are all a bunch of trolls on both sides. I hereby declare myself completely neutral on Notre Dame.

I will add (although not to harp) that I don't think people get upset over teams playing easy schedules. People get upset when fans of the team playing a soft schedule try to justify or make their schedule seem better than it really is. OSU went through this in 2007, I've seen it firsthand. Yet again, it's calling a spade a spade and learning how to be enough of an adult to accept that some things are what they are.

Mr Pat wrote: Rabble Rabble Rabble!!! Relax fellas, it's Christmas.

Football doesn't stop because of the Holidays .

Merry Christmas to all! And thanks for the kind words, athlete!

DaBrowns41 wrote: Perhaps it's easier for me to be a realistic Buckeye fan due to my Browns ties and not being able to talk any shit.

Same goes for me...damn the Brownies.

dtdtim wrote:

DaBrowns41 wrote: Perhaps it's easier for me to be a realistic Buckeye fan due to my Browns ties and not being able to talk any shit.

Same goes for me...damn the Brownies.

Let's not even continue discussing the Browns.

Disappointment every season.

DaBrowns41 wrote:

dtdtim wrote:

DaBrowns41 wrote: Perhaps it's easier for me to be a realistic Buckeye fan due to my Browns ties and not being able to talk any shit.

Same goes for me...damn the Brownies.

Let's not even continue discussing the Browns.

Disappointment every season.

I don't care how much of a disappointment they are every year, I'm just glad that I was fortunate enough to have them bless my Holiday season with 2 consecutive wins. No matter how much I try to walk away, they just reel me back in.

But I agree, no more Browns talk before I jinx whatever little luck they may have left this season.

Ignorant?

karen lotz wrote: Ignorant?

Ignorant- destitute of knowledge or education; lacking knowledge or comprehension of the thing specified

thanks merriam webster. Pot meet kettle.

karen lotz wrote: thanks merriam webster. Pot meet kettle.

Sorry. I figured I'd google it for you since I'm pretty sure you're incapable of doing it yourself.

must be the great education I got at OSU. kind of ironic, isn't it?

karen lotz wrote: must be the great education I got at OSU. kind of ironic, isn't it?

Ooh. Sick burn. Probably why I will never go there to pursue a degree.

athlete37 wrote: Ya, you're fine DaBrowns, I'm talking about the obvious idiots and I think we all know who they are. I don't post on Ohio State threads 90 percent of the time, but some idiots feel the need to post their opinion of ND on every ND thread. And most of the time the OSU fans that post on every ND thread are the ignorant ones. For all I know there are a lot of reasonable OSU fans like you that I am just unaware of because I dont go on OSU threads

You're the one who started the thread inviting people to bash Notre Dame. What did you expect.

this thread = fail

karen lotz wrote: must be the great education I got at OSU. kind of ironic, isn't it?

My grandpa, a very wise man, said the minute I started deciding where to go to college that my choice of institution wasn't half as important as what I chose to learn and strive to work for once I got there. A university's name or curriculum doesn't make you smart. You make yourself smart.

So you have no one to blame for your poor education but yourself.

cool story, bro.

Good job fixing that grammatical error, wise old Gramps teach you that too?

It's even cooler for those with the mental capacity to understand it.

Hey, at least I know how to proofread.

slide22 wrote:

athlete37 wrote: Ya, you're fine DaBrowns, I'm talking about the obvious idiots and I think we all know who they are. I don't post on Ohio State threads 90 percent of the time, but some idiots feel the need to post their opinion of ND on every ND thread. And most of the time the OSU fans that post on every ND thread are the ignorant ones. For all I know there are a lot of reasonable OSU fans like you that I am just unaware of because I dont go on OSU threads

You're the one who started the thread inviting people to bash Notre Dame. What did you expect.

this thread = fail

You're an idiot, this is a satirical thread...