Laley23
Posts: 29,506
Dec 3, 2013 11:14pm
He simply was all athlete last year, which was fine. But he, imo, was never going to be able to improve on a lottery pick (same with McGary) because neither are NEARLY good enough to play as the star. Hell, GRob wasnt even the #1 WING last year, let alone #1 option. Burke did so much for those guys, and Hardaway did more than people realize as well.WebFire;1547249 wrote:I honestly thought GRIII needed to come back to work on his game. But shit, I think he is driving his draft stock the wrong way fast.
Its early, but I wasnt a believe last year, so it will take a lot to change my mind.
Mulva
Posts: 13,650
Dec 3, 2013 11:31pm
Utah and Boise St is a pretty good one on CBS Sports.
SportsAndLady
Posts: 35,632
Dec 3, 2013 11:34pm
They're not going to be asked to be the #1 option in the nba, so they can still benefit an nba team. But yeah, their draft stock wouldn't have ever been higher than what it was last season. Stupid to come back.Laley23;1547254 wrote:He simply was all athlete last year, which was fine. But he, imo, was never going to be able to improve on a lottery pick (same with McGary) because neither are NEARLY good enough to play as the star. Hell, GRob wasnt even the #1 WING last year, let alone #1 option. Burke did so much for those guys, and Hardaway did more than people realize as well.
Its early, but I wasnt a believe last year, so it will take a lot to change my mind.
reclegend22
Posts: 8,772
Dec 3, 2013 11:36pm
Got damn. Hanlan is another guy I forgot. Without question a top ten point guard in college basketball. Aside from possibly Marcus Smart, there isn't a more talented scorer at the position than Hanlan. I made my list way too quickly. Then again, it's hard to fit all of this year's point guards into a ten man list. There are just so many viable options from which to choose.Mulva;1547217 wrote:I'd replace Jackson and McConnell with Hanlan and Elfrid Payton.
Michigan looks terrible.
As for Craft, I have personally never liked the kid's game as much as the experts seem to, as I don't think he adds much value offensively -- at east nowhere near enough to be considered elite -- but because of the other intangibles that Azu spoke about above, I included him. There were many preseason outlets that named Craft First Team All-American. Talk about exaggeration.
reclegend22
Posts: 8,772
Dec 3, 2013 11:37pm
That's the best news I've heard all night.Mulva;1547259 wrote:Utah and Boise St is a pretty good one on CBS Sports.
Mulva
Posts: 13,650
Dec 4, 2013 12:00am
Derrick Marks is a terrible interview.
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sportswizuhrd
Posts: 3,215
Dec 4, 2013 5:31am
Anyone else think Kevin Pangos (Gonzaga) is a top 10 PG?
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sportswizuhrd
Posts: 3,215
Dec 4, 2013 5:40am
Cousy Award watch list named 45 PG's...
Kyle Anderson, UCLA
Keith Appling, Michigan State
Ryan Arcidiacono, Villanova
Dominic Artis, Oregon
Eric Atkins, Notre Dame
Billy Baron, Canisus
Devon Bookert, Florida State
Jason Brickman, Long Island-Brooklyn
Jahii Carson, Arizona State
Siyani Chambers, Harvard
Semaj Christon, Xavier
Jordan Clarkson, Missouri
Justin Cobbs, California
Brett Comer, Florida Gulf Coast
Quinn Cook, Duke
Aaron Craft, Ohio State
Brandyn Curry, Harvard
Spencer Dinwiddie, Colorado
Michael Dixon, Memphis
Kris Dunn, Providence
Tyler Ennis, Syracuse
Yogi Ferrell, Indiana
Tim Frazier, Penn State
Andrew Harrison, Kentucky
Kasey Hill, Florida
Anthony Ireland, Loyola Marymount
Joe Jackson, Memphis
Chris Jones, Louisville
DeAndre Kane, Iowa State
Walt Lemon, Jr., Bradley
Derrick Marks, Boise State
TJ McConnell, Arizona
Preston Medlin, Utah State
Shabazz Napier, Connecticut
Jake Odum, Indiana State
Marcus Paige, North Carolina
Kevin Pangos, Gonzaga
Elfrid Payton, Lafayette
Kendrick Perry, Youngstown State
Trevor Releford, Alabama
Marcus Smart, Oklahoma State
Markel Starks, Georgetown
Chaz Williams, Massachusetts
Kendall Williams, New Mexico
Nigel Williams-Goss, Washington
Rec....no Hanlan, but I think he should definitely be on here, unless they know he's a SG(havent seen enough of BC to know for sure).
http://www.sbnation.com/college-basketball/2013/10/22/4867800/bob-cousy-award-watch-list-includes-45-top-point-guards
Kyle Anderson, UCLA
Keith Appling, Michigan State
Ryan Arcidiacono, Villanova
Dominic Artis, Oregon
Eric Atkins, Notre Dame
Billy Baron, Canisus
Devon Bookert, Florida State
Jason Brickman, Long Island-Brooklyn
Jahii Carson, Arizona State
Siyani Chambers, Harvard
Semaj Christon, Xavier
Jordan Clarkson, Missouri
Justin Cobbs, California
Brett Comer, Florida Gulf Coast
Quinn Cook, Duke
Aaron Craft, Ohio State
Brandyn Curry, Harvard
Spencer Dinwiddie, Colorado
Michael Dixon, Memphis
Kris Dunn, Providence
Tyler Ennis, Syracuse
Yogi Ferrell, Indiana
Tim Frazier, Penn State
Andrew Harrison, Kentucky
Kasey Hill, Florida
Anthony Ireland, Loyola Marymount
Joe Jackson, Memphis
Chris Jones, Louisville
DeAndre Kane, Iowa State
Walt Lemon, Jr., Bradley
Derrick Marks, Boise State
TJ McConnell, Arizona
Preston Medlin, Utah State
Shabazz Napier, Connecticut
Jake Odum, Indiana State
Marcus Paige, North Carolina
Kevin Pangos, Gonzaga
Elfrid Payton, Lafayette
Kendrick Perry, Youngstown State
Trevor Releford, Alabama
Marcus Smart, Oklahoma State
Markel Starks, Georgetown
Chaz Williams, Massachusetts
Kendall Williams, New Mexico
Nigel Williams-Goss, Washington
Rec....no Hanlan, but I think he should definitely be on here, unless they know he's a SG(havent seen enough of BC to know for sure).
http://www.sbnation.com/college-basketball/2013/10/22/4867800/bob-cousy-award-watch-list-includes-45-top-point-guards
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WebFire
Posts: 14,779
Dec 4, 2013 8:37am
I wasn't a believer either, that's why I thought he should come back. The thought would be that he'd improve, not showcase his flaws.Laley23;1547254 wrote:He simply was all athlete last year, which was fine. But he, imo, was never going to be able to improve on a lottery pick (same with McGary) because neither are NEARLY good enough to play as the star. Hell, GRob wasnt even the #1 WING last year, let alone #1 option. Burke did so much for those guys, and Hardaway did more than people realize as well.
Its early, but I wasnt a believe last year, so it will take a lot to change my mind.
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birddog23
Posts: 1,086
Dec 4, 2013 11:04am
19 of Michigan's 69 points last night came in the final two minutes (garbage time). Credit to Duke's defense and Michigan's horrendous offense.
Also, Michigan's late surge was not enough to cover the Over (151). Beilein is pissed.
Also, Michigan's late surge was not enough to cover the Over (151). Beilein is pissed.
reclegend22
Posts: 8,772
Dec 4, 2013 12:17pm
Sportswizuhrd:
Hanlan is definitely a point guard. He played that position all last year. With that said, I've only seen Boston College play one game so far this season, so perhaps he's been playing more off the ball lately. But he was handling the duties most of the time when I watched them.
And it's interesting to see Kevin Pangos on that list. With the season he's having, I'd have to revise my list again to include him. He's been great. With David Stockton playing so much point guard for the Zags this year, and Pangos playing a lot of two-guard, I sort of dismissed him in this category.
Hanlan is definitely a point guard. He played that position all last year. With that said, I've only seen Boston College play one game so far this season, so perhaps he's been playing more off the ball lately. But he was handling the duties most of the time when I watched them.
And it's interesting to see Kevin Pangos on that list. With the season he's having, I'd have to revise my list again to include him. He's been great. With David Stockton playing so much point guard for the Zags this year, and Pangos playing a lot of two-guard, I sort of dismissed him in this category.
Azubuike24
Posts: 15,933
Dec 4, 2013 8:46pm
Wisconsin was +4 tonight at UVA. Would've been a nice bet.
Classyposter58
Posts: 6,321
Dec 4, 2013 10:23pm
MSU is not better than OSU. I think actually the Buckeyes may be better defensively
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birddog23
Posts: 1,086
Dec 4, 2013 10:33pm
Based off???Classyposter58;1548006 wrote:MSU is not better than OSU.
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centralbucksfan
Posts: 5,111
Dec 4, 2013 10:33pm
Hard to tell at this point in the season. What MSU does have that OSU does not, is a legit big man in the middle in Payne. He is very good on both ends. I think OSU is more skilled at other positions. And I think OSU is/could be better defensively. But its a long season and still kind of early to determine who is better. Its close though.Classyposter58;1548006 wrote:MSU is not better than OSU. I think actually the Buckeyes may be better defensively
Classyposter58
Posts: 6,321
Dec 4, 2013 10:40pm
Watching both teams throughout the year. They just do not have much of an offense IMO, very similar to OSU where the D has to create itbirddog23;1548009 wrote:Based off???
reclegend22
Posts: 8,772
Dec 4, 2013 10:42pm
Can't believe I'm going to lose my 3-game teaser tonight because of North Carolina. Had Toledo at -2.5, Ohio State at -2 and Michigan State at -2. North Carolina is my least favorite school in the world.
Why is it that Roy Williams can't beat Belmont or Birmingham, but has no problem at all against the #3 and #2 teams in the country? Riddle me that shit.
Why is it that Roy Williams can't beat Belmont or Birmingham, but has no problem at all against the #3 and #2 teams in the country? Riddle me that shit.
Classyposter58
Posts: 6,321
Dec 4, 2013 10:42pm
B1G may win 5 tonight and take this thing if MSU can pull it off
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centralbucksfan
Posts: 5,111
Dec 4, 2013 10:46pm
Not lookin good for MSU. Down 13 with less than 6 min. MSU looks like crap tonite. But give UNC credit. They are playing well.Classyposter58;1548017 wrote:B1G may win 5 tonight and take this thing if MSU can pull it off
reclegend22
Posts: 8,772
Dec 4, 2013 10:47pm
I don't care what anyone says, Michigan State is not anywhere close to the No. 1 team in the nation. It's a joke. I've watched them play several times now, and based on tonight and the down-to-the-wire game with Columbia in which Columbia was within one possession with under a minute to play, I've seen all I need to see.
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centralbucksfan
Posts: 5,111
Dec 4, 2013 10:49pm
Not surprising. MSU is typically a slow starting team early in season. So if you are going to get them, now is the time as we all know by seasons end, Izzo will have them peaking.reclegend22;1548022 wrote:I don't care what anyone says, Michigan State is not anywhere close to the No. 1 team in the nation. It's a joke. I've watched them play several times now, and based on tonight and the down-to-the-wire game with Columbia in which Columbia was within one possession with under a minute to play, I've seen all I need to see.
Laley23
Posts: 29,506
Dec 4, 2013 10:51pm
So who is??reclegend22;1548022 wrote:I don't care what anyone says, Michigan State is not anywhere close to the No. 1 team in the nation. It's a joke. I've watched them play several times now, and based on tonight and the down-to-the-wire game with Columbia in which Columbia was within one possession with under a minute to play, I've seen all I need to see.
wildcats20
Posts: 27,794
Dec 4, 2013 10:53pm
Arizona.Laley23;1548024 wrote:So who is??
reclegend22
Posts: 8,772
Dec 4, 2013 10:55pm
This is true. See the loss to Grand Valley State at home in the pre-season a few years ago. Tom Izzo's teams are notorious for their slow starts. But come on. They are getting embarrassed by a less-talented team that has, let's face it, struggled mightily this season due to its youth. This is a veteran Spartan team that is supposed to be a title favorite. At this point, it is my wallet talking -- haha -- but still.centralbucksfan;1548023 wrote:Not surprising. MSU is typically a slow starting team early in season. So if you are going to get them, now is the time as we all know by seasons end, Izzo will have them peaking.
Should've had more faith in Toledo or just bet on the Buckeyes. Just don't like 10-point spreads between two teams like Maryland and Ohio State. You just never know.
reclegend22
Posts: 8,772
Dec 4, 2013 10:55pm
This.wildcats20;1548026 wrote:Arizona.