gorocks99;1599144 wrote:USF is set to hire Kentucky's Orlando Antigua: http://www.cbssports.com/collegebasketball/eye-on-college-basketball/24508970/usf-to-hire-kentuckys-orlando-antigua

Damn, O was huge in both recruiting and the development of our post players.

James Blackmon Jr. won the 3PT shooting contest. 21 pts tied with Myles Turner (damn he has a stroke for a 7'er) in the preliminaries along with Ulis and Allen. Then 23 points won it in the finals for JBJ.

Kid has a great shot, obviously. Thank God, cause Indiana really needs some shooting. They were awful this season.

@bomani_jones: RT @GoodmanESPN: Marquette has hired Duke associate head coach Steve Wojciechowski, sources told ESPN.

Laley23;1599275 wrote:James Blackmon Jr. won the 3PT shooting contest. 21 pts tied with Myles Turner (damn he has a stroke for a 7'er) in the preliminaries along with Ulis and Allen. Then 23 points won it in the finals for JBJ.

Kid has a great shot, obviously. Thank God, cause Indiana really needs some shooting. They were awful this season.

Blackmon is nice. I went and checked his scout profile after watching the three-point competition and this is what it said: "His jump shot is so devastatingly effective it doesn't merit the words to describe it." Lol. Shit.

A white kid going to Duke won the dunk contest. Pretty much the perfect recipe for hate. And he's every bit as cocky as J.J. Redick. He'll easily give Redick and Greg Paulus a run for their money as the second most hated caucasian Dukie ever. Christian Laettner is pretty much in a class of his own.

reclegend22;1599425 wrote:Blackmon is nice. I went and checked his scout profile after watching the three-point competition and this is what it said: "His jump shot is so devastatingly effective it doesn't merit the words to describe it." Lol. Shit.

A white kid going to Duke won the dunk contest. Pretty much the perfect recipe for hate. And he's every bit as cocky as J.J. Redick. He'll easily give Redick and Greg Paulus a run for their money as the second most hated caucasian Dukie ever. Christian Laettner is pretty much in a class of his own.

Don't think it has anything to do with dunking or race as much as what you mentioned, their cockiness and court demeanor.

centralbucksfan;1599469 wrote:Don't think it has anything to do with dunking or race as much as what you mentioned, their cockiness and court demeanor.

At Duke, it has everything to do with being white. Other than cockiness, the one common denominator linking the most hated Blue Devils of all-time is that they are white. Christian Laettner, Cherokee Parks, J.J. Redick, Greg Paulus, Jon Scheyer and Kyle Singler. Like at any college, there have been numerous black players at Duke throughout the years who have carried themselves in a bold and confident manner, yet none that I can remember who were truly hated. Quinn Cook is as cocky as it gets and almost the same level of talent that Greg Paulus was, yet nobody writes articles for Yahoo! or Grantland about hating the guy.

It's a weird phenomenon, because a large faction of the people generating that hate are also white. White people don't like to see other white people do well. Even a guy like Doug McDermott, who is as about as wholesome as it gets, spawned a lot of hate. Tim Tebow at Florida is another example. It's worse for a white player at Duke, though, due to the program already being the most despised in college basketball.

I'm a white person and I love seeing white people do well. I love McDermott. Pretty sure he was easily the most popular college basketball player this year.

Tebow gets shit on because he's a fucking religious loser. Not because he's white.

SportsAndLady;1599579 wrote:I'm a white person and I love seeing white people do well. I love McDermott. Pretty sure he was easily the most popular college basketball player this year.

Tebow gets shit on because he's a fucking religious loser. Not because he's white.

I was just giving examples. I personally know people (white people) who hate McDermott. I don't. I love him. And I am sure there were a lot of white people and non-Duke fans who liked J.J. Redick.

But if J.J. Redick or Greg Paulus were black, neither would have been national symbols of hate. Not a chance.

And Greg Paulus wasn't even really cocky. And yet he was hated almost as much as Redick. He was white and the point guard for Duke. That's about the only logical reason he would have been hated to the extent that he was.

reclegend22;1599584 wrote:And Greg Paulus wasn't even really cocky. And yet he was hated almost as much as Redick. He was white and the point guard for Duke. That's about the only logical reason he would have been hated to the extent that he was.

Paulus was just a cheeseball. He always slapped the floor like a douche and just looked awkward.

Craft=paulus. Neither of which I hate because they are white.

SportsAndLady;1599585 wrote:Paulus was just a cheeseball. He always slapped the floor like a douche and just looked awkward.

Craft=paulus. Neither of which I hate because they are white.

Other than the media, coaches and other players' constant accolades for him annoying you, why do you hate Craft?

SportsAndLady;1599585 wrote:Paulus was just a cheeseball. He always slapped the floor like a douche and just looked awkward.

Craft=paulus. Neither of which I hate because they are white.

Paulus and Craft aren't really comparable because they were totally different players -- Paulus was actually a great offensive player as an elite shooter -- and Paulus was never given the national All-American level praise in the media that Craft was, which is why everyone (including me) hated the kid.

Quinn Cook = a cockier Greg Paulus and no one hates him.

Grant Hill wrote an interesting piece recently on why Duke is hated so much and he attributed a lot of it to Duke having "a lot of really good white guys." I think he's at least partly right.

I've never actually seen Quinn cook show cockiness but maybe I just haven't been paying much attention lol

vball10set;1599587 wrote:Other than the media, coaches and other players' constant accolades for him annoying you, why do you hate Craft?

Not sure I have another reason.

SportsAndLady;1599596 wrote:Not sure I have another reason.

Fair enough. To be honest, that's why I hated Tebow so much (that, and his Tebowing shit). I guess it's different when the hated guy plays for the team you root for--you tend to wallow in the slobber instead of choking on it.

SportsAndLady;1599596 wrote:Not sure I have another reason.

Yeah, if it weren't for the Michael Jordan level media attention, I'd have no opinion on him whatsoever.

For example, after Craft made that layup to put Ohio State ahead of Dayton with like 30 seconds to play, Verne Lunquist said "Wow! He can do it all!" No, he can't lol.

reclegend22;1599602 wrote:Yeah, if it weren't for the Michael Jordan level media attention, I'd have no opinion on him whatsoever.

For example, after Craft made that layup to put Ohio State ahead of Dayton with like 30 seconds to play, Verne Lunquist said "Wow! He can do it all!" No, he can't lol.

He can't do it all, he doesn't even have a passport.

MB'd

reclegend22;1599589 wrote:Paulus and Craft aren't really comparable because they were totally different players -- Paulus was actually a great offensive player as an elite shooter -- and Paulus was never given the national All-American level praise in the media that Craft was, which is why everyone (including me) hated the kid.

Quinn Cook = a cockier Greg Paulus and no one hates him.

Grant Hill wrote an interesting piece recently on why Duke is hated so much and he attributed a lot of it to Duke having "a lot of really good white guys." I think he's at least partly right.

Paulus was NOT a great offensive player. He was an average offensive player. Never avg over 11pts a game and never improved much over his 4 yrs. I never thought he was cocky and honestly didn't think he was hated anymore than many other Duke players.
Duke is hated because they are good and at an elite school academically. Similar to ND in football. Nothing to do with white or black IMO.

reclegend22;1599582 wrote:I was just giving examples. I personally know people (white people) who hate McDermott. I don't. I love him. And I am sure there were a lot of white people and non-Duke fans who liked J.J. Redick.

But if J.J. Redick or Greg Paulus were black, neither would have been national symbols of hate. Not a chance.

Thats comical. Redick was a cocky SOB, arrogant as well. He was an easy target who embraced it. Nothing to do with being white at all. This white black thing you got going is comical. Its player attitudes and how they carry themselves on the floor.
Laettner shouldn't even be in this discussion. He was a complete ass, a cheap player. And no, I didn't hate him at all. But what he did on the floor can't be argued. And it was the reason he was hated so much.

centralbucksfan;1599725 wrote:Paulus was NOT a great offensive player. He was an average offensive player. Never avg over 11pts a game and never improved much over his 4 yrs. I never thought he was cocky and honestly didn't think he was hated anymore than many other Duke players.
Duke is hated because they are good and at an elite school academically. Similar to ND in football. Nothing to do with white or black IMO.

You didn't watch as many Greg Paulus games as I did, so I will respectfully decline to accept your evaluation of his game.

Prior to losing his spot as a starter to Nolan Smith as a senior, Paulus was a great offensive player, especially as a passer and shooter. He led the ACC in assists per game as a freshman and improved his three-point shooting from 31% in his first season to 45% and 42% as a sophomore and junior. In his junior year, he hit a career-best 82 three-point field goals, including making six at North Carolina while leading Duke to victory in the Dean Dome (that after having made just 22 threes as a freshman). But yeah, he never improved much over the course of his career.

centralbucksfan wrote:Thats comical. Redick was a cocky SOB, arrogant as well. He was an easy target who embraced it. Nothing to do with being white at all. This white black thing you got going is comical. Its player attitudes and how they carry themselves on the floor.
Laettner shouldn't even be in this discussion. He was a complete ass, a cheap player. And no, I didn't hate him at all. But what he did on the floor can't be argued. And it was the reason he was hated so much.

We can agree to disagree. However, I value Grant Hill's opinion more than yours. You know, the guy whom Jalen Rose referred to as an "Uncle Tom" in the Fab Five documentary. He experienced the hate guys like Laettner (arrogant) and Bobby Hurley (not arrogant) attracted on the road. Duke's had more high-profile white guys than most of the college basketball heavyweights in the last decade (the Blue Devils' 2010 national championship team had 10 white players to 3 blacks). I believe it plays a role in the hatred of the team. I love it, though, so I really don't care one way or the other. Being the enemy is great.

reclegend22;1599755 wrote:You didn't watch as many Greg Paulus games as I did, so I will respectfully decline to accept your evaluation of his game.

Prior to losing his spot as a starter to Nolan Smith as a senior, Paulus was a great offensive player, especially as a passer and shooter. He led the ACC in assists per game as a freshman and improved his three-point shooting from 31% in his first season to 45% and 42% as a sophomore and junior. In his junior year, he hit a career-best 82 three-point field goals, including making six at North Carolina while leading Duke to victory in the Dean Dome (that after having made just 22 threes as a freshman). But yeah, he never improved much over the course of his career.



We can agree to disagree. However, I value Grant Hill's opinion more than yours. You know, the guy whom Jalen Rose referred to as an "Uncle Tom" in the Fab Five documentary. He experienced the hate guys like Laettner (arrogant) and Bobby Hurley (not arrogant) attracted on the road. Duke's had more high-profile white guys than most of the college basketball heavyweights in the last decade (the Blue Devils' 2010 national championship team had 10 white players to 3 blacks). I believe it plays a role in the hatred of the team. I love it, though, so I really don't care one way or the other. Being the enemy is great.

Interesting that you failed to mention how Paulus did his senior year?? Great offensive player? He was good. Great is a term that should be used RARELY. Jason Williams was a GREAT offensive player. Johnny Dawkins was a great offensive player. Just to name 2 that played at Duke that Paulus shouldn't even be mentioned in the same breath as. 2yrs of good 3pt shooting does NOT classify someone as being great offensively.
BTW, I am NOT a Duke hater or Paulus hater. And yes, I did see him enough, plenty of times to know what kind of a player he was. If he was great, he surely wouldn't have been sitting on the bench his senior year. That just does not happen to a "great" offensive player, who was a previous starter.
And yes, we can agree to disagree on the Duke hate. Who cares what Grant Hill says. He is a Duke player. Bias. I like your posts, nothing against you, no dislike for Duke at all (Coach K fan here)...but you are sensitive in the same way many ND football fans are. The hate for Duke is what I said, its the highly successful program at a highly academic institution, coached by a great coach. Happened at places like ND as well as IU when Knight was the coach. Its not about race.

centralbucksfan;1599760 wrote:Interesting that you failed to mention how Paulus did his senior year??

I didn't fail to mention how Greg did as a senior.

reclegend22 wrote:Prior to losing his spot as a starter to Nolan Smith as a senior,

centralbucksfan wrote:Great offensive player? He was ok. Great is a term that should be used RARELY. Jason Williams was a GREAT offensive player. Johnny Dawkins was a great offensive player. Just to name 2 that played at Duke that Paulus shouldn't even be named in the same breath as. 3pt shooting does NOT classify someone as being great offensively.[

Yes, an outstanding three-point shooter can be classified as a great offensive player. Andre Dawkins averaged 7.9 points per game this season, but shot 42% from beyond the arc (closer to 50% through February), including making 4+ triples in a game seven times and 6+ triples twice. At Pittsburgh, Dawkins scored 20 points and hit six threes, four of which he made in the last 12 minutes of the game to lead Duke to victory. He was a feared offensive player because of his shooting. As was Greg Paulus before Coach K decided to go in another direction at point guard with Nolan Smith. At the end of Paulus' junior season, however, he was 11th all-time in the ACC in career three-point field goal %.

centralbucksfan wrote:BTW, I am NOT a Duke hater or Paulus hater. And yes, I did see him enough, plenty of times to know what kind of a player he was. If he was great, he surely wouldn't have been sitting on the bench his senior year. That just does not happen to a "great" offensive player.
And yes, we can agree to disagree on the Duke hate. Who cares what Grant Hill says. He is a Duke player. Bias. I like your posts, nothing against you, no dislike for Duke at all (Coach K fan here)...but you are sensitive in the same way many ND football fans are. The hate for Duke is what I said, its the highly successful program at a highly academic institution, coached by a great coach. Happened at places like ND as well as IU when Knight was the coach. Its not about race.

Absolutely I agree with Duke being hated largely for its success on the court as well as the unparalleled achievements -- in the modern landscape -- of its head coach. When you are the winningest and most dominant program in college basketball for 25 years, people begin to dislike you and want to see you lose. It's human nature. I just believe that Duke's many high-profile white players also add to that anti-Duke dynamic. But we can agree to disagree on that.

reclegend22;1599768 wrote:
Yes, an outstanding three-point shooter can be classified as a great offensive player. Andre Dawkins averaged 7.9 points per game this season, but shot 42% from beyond the arc (closer to 50% through February), including making 4+ triples in a game seven times and 6+ triples twice. At Pittsburgh, Dawkins scored 20 points and hit six threes, four of which he made in the last 12 minutes of the game to lead Duke to victory. He was a feared offensive player because of his shooting. As was Greg Paulus before Coach K decided to go in another direction at point guard with Nolan Smith. At the end of Paulus' junior season, however, he was 11th all-time in the ACC in career three-point field goal %.



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Then I guess Jon Diebler was a GREAT offensive player as well? Even as bias as I can be as a OSU fan, I would never classify Diebler as a great offensive player based on his 3pt shooting!

centralbucksfan;1599785 wrote:Then I guess Jon Diebler was a GREAT offensive player as well? Even as bias as I can be as a OSU fan, I would never classify Diebler as a great offensive player based on his 3pt shooting!

Yes. I would without question classify Jon Diebler as a dangerous (read: great) offensive player. He is the Big Ten's all-time leader in career three-point field goals.

As a former duke hater I can give you my perspective. I didn't have any feelings either way about duke until I came across a poster on another message board. He went by the name of dukefan and then Trinity-something. His arrogance about duke and his unwillingness to admit that duke was not perfect fueled my hatred.My hatred for duke had nothing to do with race, it had everything to do with their fan base and their lack of respect for anything not duke, especially the god-like worship given to coach k.

BTW, why would anyone hate Cherokee Parks? The guy was a stiff.

Paulus averaged 8.6 points, 2.1 rebounds, and 3.4 assists during four seasons at Duke. Hardly, a great offensive player. He was disliked because he was the
"King of Floppers". Come to think of it maybe that is why you think it is a race thing. duke has had many white players who turned flopping into accepted defensive practice.Their motto must of been "If you can't guard----FLOP".