ernest_t_bass
Posts: 24,984
May 3, 2013 11:55am
justincredible
Posts: 32,056
May 3, 2013 12:04pm
queencitybuckeye;1437877 wrote:You can for your own consumption, correct?
I'm pretty sure this is correct.
sherm03
Posts: 7,349
May 3, 2013 1:37pm
Ya...he's pretty much of the "stay out of my business" and "let the private sector handle shit" mindset. But there's some points where he is very far from Libertarian. Drugs and gay marriage are the two that he and I regularly disagree on.justincredible;1437811 wrote:Back to your original point. I was talking to sherm's father-in-law last night (he's going to paint our house) and he noticed my Gary Johnson bumper stickers. We started talking about that and he said he is pretty libertarian with his views, just not with drugs (yet). He said it was likely a generational thing but he'd need some serious convincing to get behind drug legalization.
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WebFire
Posts: 14,779
May 3, 2013 2:44pm
This is NOT correct. Liquor production for any reason is illegal without a license. Beer and wine you can make all you want.justincredible;1437884 wrote:I'm pretty sure this is correct.
cruiser_96
Posts: 7,536
May 4, 2013 4:16pm
*without (?)
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WebFire
Posts: 14,779
May 4, 2013 5:58pm
Yes, thank you.
GOONx19
Posts: 7,147
May 5, 2013 6:09pm
There are dozens, if not hundreds of scientific studies that prove it. Here's one.Glory Days;1437705 wrote:got a scientific study to prove it? some parent giving pot to their kid and saying it works isnt scientific.
http://resources.iowamedicalmarijuana.org/petition/2012/Novotna_2011.pdf
Of the 572 subjects enrolled, 272 achieved a ‡20% improvement after 4 weeks of single-blind treatment, and 241 were randomized. The primary end-point was the difference between treatments in the mean spasticity Numeric Rating Scale (NRS) in the randomized, controlled phase of the study. Intention-to-treat (ITT) analysis showed a highly significant difference in favour of nabiximols (P = 0.0002). Secondary end-points of responder analysis, Spasm Frequency Score, Sleep Disturbance NRS Patient, Carer and Clinician Global Impression of Change were all significant in favour of nabiximols
Glory Days
Posts: 7,809
May 6, 2013 1:54am
I dont know much about Nabiximal but from what i have read it works about 50% of the time, isnt exactly marijuana and isnt supposed to get you high.
justincredible
Posts: 32,056
May 6, 2013 9:42am
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/10/29/one-marijuana-arrest-occu_n_2041236.html
:thumbdown:According to the FBI's Uniform Crime Reporting data, there were a total of 1.5 million drug arrests made nationwide in 2011, and out of those arrests, about 750,000 were for marijuana (just under half, 49.5 percent) -- that's one marijuana arrest every 42 seconds and one drug arrest every 21 seconds in the U.S.
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MontyBrunswick
May 6, 2013 9:49am
Poltics is this way.justincredible;1438737 wrote:http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/10/29/one-marijuana-arrest-occu_n_2041236.html
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Hope this helps
justincredible
Posts: 32,056
May 6, 2013 9:53am
Ok. Thanks.
like_that
Posts: 26,625
May 6, 2013 10:23am
I wonder how much in tax dollars that 750,000 could be smh.justincredible;1438737 wrote:http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/10/29/one-marijuana-arrest-occu_n_2041236.html
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justincredible
Posts: 32,056
May 6, 2013 10:26am
Yeah, but you can get high with marijuana! Can't let that happen.like_that;1438752 wrote:I wonder how much in tax dollars that 750,000 could be smh.
sherm03
Posts: 7,349
May 6, 2013 10:50am
So if it's legalized, it's going to be taxed at a pretty large clip. The people that are selling weed now aren't going to just stop or become legit just because it is legalized, so they are going to be basically undercutting the prices at the legal dispensaries. So we're still going to be spending money to try to arrest those selling it illegally. And I have to wonder if any current users will just switch over to buying it legally. Instead, they'll probably try to save some money and continue buying from their current dealer.
I still think weed should be legalized. I just don't think it will generate as much tax revenue as suspected, and I think there will still be plenty of money spent on trying to find and prosecute the people selling/buying it illegally.
I still think weed should be legalized. I just don't think it will generate as much tax revenue as suspected, and I think there will still be plenty of money spent on trying to find and prosecute the people selling/buying it illegally.
cruiser_96
Posts: 7,536
May 6, 2013 11:04am
Isn't that always the case!?sherm03;1438763 wrote:... I just don't think it will generate as much tax revenue as suspected ...
Recenlty, the Columbus Dispatch ran an article with the headline, "Casino not bringing in as much revenue as intitially expected". No kidding!?
I think one of the shames is that some people voted yes for the casinos because a certain amount of revenue gained was going to help local schools.
There is a part of me that thinks a) now the schools aren't going to get their share, b) they probably already alloted (spent) the projected funds, and c) the neighborhood homes will increase in property value over the 15 to 20 years.
justincredible
Posts: 32,056
May 6, 2013 11:15am
I do agree with this. If legalized pot costs more than the current going rate for illegal pot people would just continue to buy illegal pot if it was cheaper.sherm03;1438763 wrote:So if it's legalized, it's going to be taxed at a pretty large clip. The people that are selling weed now aren't going to just stop or become legit just because it is legalized, so they are going to be basically undercutting the prices at the legal dispensaries. So we're still going to be spending money to try to arrest those selling it illegally. And I have to wonder if any current users will just switch over to buying it legally. Instead, they'll probably try to save some money and continue buying from their current dealer.
I still think weed should be legalized. I just don't think it will generate as much tax revenue as suspected, and I think there will still be plenty of money spent on trying to find and prosecute the people selling/buying it illegally.
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MontyBrunswick
May 6, 2013 11:17am
I don't.justincredible;1438774 wrote:I do agree with this.
It doesn't matter what the pot costs, people will go to whatever is most-easily accessible.
If I can buy it from some guy in the hood for $20, or at the gas station for $25, I'm probably going to the gas station out of convenience.
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Fred Flintstone
Posts: 366
May 6, 2013 11:23am
Out of convenience and purity... if it is legalized you would hope that is not laced with something like PCP.dlazz;1438778 wrote:I don't.
It doesn't matter what the pot costs, people will go to whatever is most-easily accessible.
If I can buy it from some guy in the hood for $20, or at the gas station for $25, I'm probably going to the gas station out of convenience.
justincredible
Posts: 32,056
May 6, 2013 11:25am
Well, I guess it depends on the cost difference. If an eighth jump from $50 to $75 you'll see a lot of people stick to the black market.dlazz;1438778 wrote:I don't.
It doesn't matter what the pot costs, people will go to whatever is most-easily accessible.
If I can buy it from some guy in the hood for $20, or at the gas station for $25, I'm probably going to the gas station out of convenience.
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MontyBrunswick
May 6, 2013 11:26am
I respectfully disagree, for the previous reasons outlined.justincredible;1438785 wrote:Well, I guess it depends on the cost difference. If an eighth jump from $50 to $75 you'll see a lot of people stick to the black market.
justincredible
Posts: 32,056
May 6, 2013 11:30am
Notice I didn't say everyone. I didn't even say a majority. A lot of people would stick with the black market if prices shoot up too much. Sure, your "OMG pot is legal I'm going to try it!" folks will go the easy route, regardless of cost.dlazz;1438787 wrote:I respectfully disagree, for the previous reasons outlined.
Heretic
Posts: 18,820
May 6, 2013 11:32am
Under a circumstance like that, yeah, the legal pot would turn into that failsafe for if your "underground" source didn't have any on hand when you were in need, but for the average purchase, I doubt many people would be cool with a 50% price hike.justincredible;1438785 wrote:Well, I guess it depends on the cost difference. If an eighth jump from $50 to $75 you'll see a lot of people stick to the black market.
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MontyBrunswick
May 6, 2013 11:46am
You guys are also assuming that the price for weed would increase if it were legalized. The price is in its current ranges now because it is ILLEGAL. It would fall like a rock if it were legalized, and would very much likely be cheaper anyway even if they taxed the shit out of it.
justincredible
Posts: 32,056
May 6, 2013 11:49am
I didn't assume anything. I said "if..." I tend to agree that prices SHOULD drop.dlazz;1438797 wrote:You guys are also assuming that the price for weed would increase if it were legalized. The price is in its current ranges now because it is ILLEGAL. It would fall like a rock if it were legalized, and would very much likely be cheaper anyway even if they taxed the shit out of it.
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WebFire
Posts: 14,779
May 6, 2013 12:12pm
Even if the price did come down, taxed will still be more than non-taxed. I don't think people who already have a supplier they've been using for years are going to switch, especially if they have to pay additional tax.dlazz;1438797 wrote:You guys are also assuming that the price for weed would increase if it were legalized. The price is in its current ranges now because it is ILLEGAL. It would fall like a rock if it were legalized, and would very much likely be cheaper anyway even if they taxed the shit out of it.