cruiser_96
Posts: 7,536
May 3, 2013 9:49am
And he hated puppies! Fact!
justincredible
Posts: 32,056
May 3, 2013 9:52am
Nope.
cruiser_96
Posts: 7,536
May 3, 2013 10:14am
Gasp! 
Fab4Runner
Posts: 6,196
May 3, 2013 10:18am
I agree with you, as this has always been my main concern. Truthfully, I have basically zero knowledge about how they will deal with DWIs related to marijuana. Is there a test out there that is as fast and effective as a blood alcohol reading?Sonofanump;1437579 wrote:My only fear (rational or irrational) is a potential for an increase of auto accidents.
I have never smoked and I never will smoke, so all of this has no effect on me. That said, as long as it can be be safely regulated (I know, I know...one of the worst words ever according to those Libertarians out there), I am fine with it being legalized. Will I campaign for it or vote for it? That remains to be seen.
justincredible
Posts: 32,056
May 3, 2013 10:19am
Back to your original point. I was talking to sherm's father-in-law last night (he's going to paint our house) and he noticed my Gary Johnson bumper stickers. We started talking about that and he said he is pretty libertarian with his views, just not with drugs (yet). He said it was likely a generational thing but he'd need some serious convincing to get behind drug legalization.cruiser_96;1437809 wrote:Gasp!
W
wkfan
Posts: 1,641
May 3, 2013 10:23am
Legalize it....regulate it...and tax the crap out of it.
justincredible
Posts: 32,056
May 3, 2013 10:23am
IMO, there really isn't a concern with this. There was also a video floating around a few months ago where they tested the effects of smoking while driving and it took quite a bit to negatively impact the driving ability of the participants. And they came from all over the spectrum of pot users, from the multiple times a day toker to the every once in a while toker. It's certainly not a conclusive study but the results were pretty much what I was expecting. That said, I never drive when I smoke. Unfortunately that isn't always the case when I drink.Fab4Runner;1437810 wrote:I agree with you, as this has always been my main concern. Truthfully, I have basically zero knowledge about how they will deal with DWIs related to marijuana. Is there a test out there that is as fast and effective as a blood alcohol reading?
I have never smoked and I never will smoke, so all of this has no effect on me. That said, as long as it can be be safely regulated (I know, I know...one of the worst words ever according to those Libertarians out there), I am fine with it being legalized. Will I campaign for it or vote for it? That remains to be seen.
Fab4Runner
Posts: 6,196
May 3, 2013 10:44am
I have ridden with two or three different people who drove after smoking (obviously my choice), and I fully believe that their driving ability was affected. All of my college roommates and close friends smoked on a regular basis, and just being around them I could tell that their reflexes and thought processes were impaired. Is it to the same degree as alcohol? Maybe not. I obviously have no first-hand experience to rely on when when it comes to comparing. But, until there is a conclusive study out there, all I can go by is what I was witness to.justincredible;1437814 wrote:IMO, there really isn't a concern with this. There was also a video floating around a few months ago where they tested the effects of smoking while driving and it took quite a bit to negatively impact the driving ability of the participants. And they came from all over the spectrum of pot users, from the multiple times a day toker to the every once in a while toker. It's certainly not a conclusive study but the results were pretty much what I was expecting. That said, I never drive when I smoke. Unfortunately that isn't always the case when I drink.
justincredible
Posts: 32,056
May 3, 2013 10:54am
The video I was referencing.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/02/18/stoned-drivers-test-course-marijuana-dui_n_2711358.html
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/02/18/stoned-drivers-test-course-marijuana-dui_n_2711358.html
ernest_t_bass
Posts: 24,984
May 3, 2013 10:58am
When I used to smoke, it was very hard for me to drive. When I took pot, it definitely impaired me.
justincredible
Posts: 32,056
May 3, 2013 11:02am
Fab4Runner;1437821 wrote:I have ridden with two or three different people who drove after smoking (obviously my choice), and I fully believe that their driving ability was affected. All of my college roommates and close friends smoked on a regular basis, and just being around them I could tell that their reflexes and thought processes were impaired. Is it to the same degree as alcohol? Maybe not. I obviously have no first-hand experience to rely on when when it comes to comparing. But, until there is a conclusive study out there, all I can go by is what I was witness to.
Like I said, I don't drive when I smoke. I'm not sure how much it would affect me, I just don't want to take that chance. I tend to make better decisions when I'm stoned.ernest_t_bass;1437839 wrote:When I used to smoke, it was very hard for me to drive. When I took pot, it definitely impaired me.
I also don't think that legalization would lead to some mad rush of stoned drivers on the streets. Also, an accident at 13mph isn't going to do much damage anyway.
Heretic
Posts: 18,820
May 3, 2013 11:03am
Not the same as driving, but if I'm any indication, I wouldn't want to be on road with any smoker going over 45 or so. Kind of hard to describe, but it's like you're able to focus on what you're doing, but it's more of a tunnel vision focusing where it was hard to focus on everything that a driver should focus on. So I was constantly keeping tabs on my speed because I wasn't able to intuitively hit the 55-60 mark and kept going up to 65 and then down to 50. I guess you could say I was essentially driving okay, but it wasn't something I wanted to do, as the act of doing so at highway speed was kinda stressful.Fab4Runner;1437821 wrote:I have ridden with two or three different people who drove after smoking (obviously my choice), and I fully believe that their driving ability was affected. All of my college roommates and close friends smoked on a regular basis, and just being around them I could tell that their reflexes and thought processes were impaired. Is it to the same degree as alcohol? Maybe not. I obviously have no first-hand experience to rely on when when it comes to comparing. But, until there is a conclusive study out there, all I can go by is what I was witness to.
So the only time I might drive after that is if I'm going across my small town to a friend's. 35 is much more easily manageable.
W
WebFire
Posts: 14,779
May 3, 2013 11:06am
I don't think so either, because most of the people that will smoke when it's legal are already doing it.justincredible;1437844 wrote:
I also don't think that legalization would lead to some mad rush of stoned drivers on the streets. Also, an accident at 13mph isn't going to do much damage anyway.
justincredible
Posts: 32,056
May 3, 2013 11:07am
Yep. There will obviously be a bunch of people giving it a try but I doubt the number of regular smokers will increase much.WebFire;1437846 wrote:I don't think so either, because most of the people that will smoke when it's legal are already doing it.
S
Sonofanump
May 3, 2013 11:09am
That is a catch22 for someone with a Libertarian view. Allow it, but have it regulated for the good of society.Fab4Runner;1437810 wrote: That said, as long as it can be be safely regulated (I know, I know...one of the worst words ever according to those Libertarians out there), I am fine with it being legalized.
justincredible
Posts: 32,056
May 3, 2013 11:10am
As long as it's legal for me to grow my own plants at my house I won't care. I wouldn't buy from state regulated sources if I didn't have to.Sonofanump;1437850 wrote:That is a catch22 for someone with a Libertarian view. Allow it, but have it regulated for the good of society.
S
Sonofanump
May 3, 2013 11:13am
OK, I was thinking more of the consumption side of the graph than the production side.justincredible;1437855 wrote:As long as it's legal for me to grow my own plants at my house I won't care. I wouldn't buy from state regulated sources if I didn't have to.
justincredible
Posts: 32,056
May 3, 2013 11:15am
How do you regulate consumption? Are you just talking similar to legal BAC levels with alcohol?Sonofanump;1437858 wrote:OK, I was thinking more of the consumption side of the graph than the production side.
S
Sonofanump
May 3, 2013 11:18am
Yeah. I only care about how your comsumption effects me. I don't want to have to deal with stoners behind the wheel. I could care less if you pass out in your bathtub with a bag of Funyuns and maple syrup on your body.justincredible;1437859 wrote:How do you regulate consumption? Are you just talking similar to legal BAC levels with alcohol?
cruiser_96
Posts: 7,536
May 3, 2013 11:21am
That which has been seen, cannot be unseen.Sonofanump;1437861 wrote:Yeah. I only care about how your comsumption effects me. I don't want to have to deal with stoners behind the wheel. I could care less if you pass out in your bathtub with a bag of Funyuns and maple syrup on your body.
Thanks for the visual, man...
justincredible
Posts: 32,056
May 3, 2013 11:24am
Typical Friday for me. You've been spying on me, haven't you?Sonofanump;1437861 wrote:I could care less if you pass out in your bathtub with a bag of Funyuns and maple syrup on your body.
W
WebFire
Posts: 14,779
May 3, 2013 11:30am
Agree. That is the only consumption regulation even needed.Sonofanump;1437861 wrote:Yeah. I only care about how your comsumption effects me. I don't want to have to deal with stoners behind the wheel. I could care less if you pass out in your bathtub with a bag of Funyuns and maple syrup on your body.
W
WebFire
Posts: 14,779
May 3, 2013 11:38am
It better not be legal to grow unless I can make moonshine legally.justincredible;1437855 wrote:As long as it's legal for me to grow my own plants at my house I won't care. I wouldn't buy from state regulated sources if I didn't have to.
Q
queencitybuckeye
Posts: 7,117
May 3, 2013 11:39am
You can for your own consumption, correct?WebFire;1437876 wrote:It better not be legal to grow unless I can make moonshine legally.
Heretic
Posts: 18,820
May 3, 2013 11:39am
That's illegal? Guess I know so many people who make/can easily acquire it, I had no idea. One good thing about living in a rural area. EVERYONE MAKES MOONSHINE.WebFire;1437876 wrote:It better not be legal to grow unless I can make moonshine legally.