MIT Shooting/Bombing Suspect Manhunt - Suspect 1: DEAD, Suspect 2: In Custody

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Apr 20, 2013 4:35 PM
I rewound my DVR 37 minutes to find that photo lol.
Apr 20, 2013 4:35pm
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Apr 20, 2013 4:46 PM
Loved the Team America drop in Webbie. I'm sure Alphabet Soup thought the whole 7th Cav was after his squaggly ass when the shootin started.
Apr 20, 2013 4:46pm
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Apr 20, 2013 5:12 PM
Classyposter58;1430562 wrote:That show Boston's Finest is going to be awesome showing all of this
Assuming it isn't canceled before they feel comfortable enough to show it.

I'm sure they can re-enact and splice in plenty of actual scanner / media coverage. But I don't think cameras were allowed anywhere near the action. A couple were in the right place at the right time (first being the initial shootout), but any real/raw footage would probably have to come from dash cams.
Apr 20, 2013 5:12pm
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Apr 20, 2013 6:37 PM
gut;1430578 wrote:Assuming it isn't canceled before they feel comfortable enough to show it.

I'm sure they can re-enact and splice in plenty of actual scanner / media coverage. But I don't think cameras were allowed anywhere near the action. A couple were in the right place at the right time (first being the initial shootout), but any real/raw footage would probably have to come from dash cams.
If they were though, that'd be awesome cause it would probably be the greatest episodes of a police show ever
Apr 20, 2013 6:37pm
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Apr 20, 2013 6:46 PM
Classyposter58;1430609 wrote:If they were though, that'd be awesome cause it would probably be the greatest episodes of a police show ever
And actually the helicopter was filming things (which I expect to surface on the internet at some point since that feed was apparently compromised).

Very surreal. I'm not aware of a manhunt in the US anywhere close to that scale before. Even globally have we ever seen anything like that, at least not war/military related?

Amazing, really. Hollywood won't have to do anything to add drama and suspense to the coming films. And I'll be ashamed for watching it - I'd prefer we not glorify and immortalize these scum on film. But the money would be good for Boston and the victim's/families.
Apr 20, 2013 6:46pm
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Apr 20, 2013 7:06 PM
Can you imagine how crazy it would have been if there never had been any blood trail and Dzhokhar had bled out and died in the boat? It might have been weeks before his body was found. That would have been an amazing revelation after the manhunt would most certainly have gone cold. The dead body might have released a scent after awhile that the family of the boat would have picked up, but, if it were cold enough, maybe not.
Apr 20, 2013 7:06pm
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Apr 20, 2013 7:13 PM
reclegend22;1430619 wrote:Can you imagine how crazy it would have been if there never had been any blood trail and Dzhokhar had bled out and died in the boat? It might have been weeks before his body was found.
I would guess people might notice the smell within just a matter of days.

Heard a report he had gunshot wounds to the neck and leg. So he literally was within an inch of his life at that shootout.

Might be another case of Hollywood exaggerating reality, but I'm surprised they weren't able to follow a blood trail right from the shootout, at least once daylight came. Especially with dogs.
Apr 20, 2013 7:13pm
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Apr 20, 2013 7:16 PM
gut;1430613 wrote:...

Very surreal. I'm not aware of a manhunt in the US anywhere close to that scale before. Even globally have we ever seen anything like that, at least not war/military related?

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Do you not consider the National Guard military related?
Apr 20, 2013 7:16pm
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Apr 20, 2013 7:18 PM
gut;1430621 wrote:I would guess people might notice the smell within just a matter of days.

Heard a report he had gunshot wounds to the neck and leg. So he literally was within an inch of his life at that shootout.

Might be another case of Hollywood exaggerating reality, but I'm surprised they weren't able to follow a blood trail right from the shootout, at least once daylight came. Especially with dogs.
I wondered about this as well.

The Super Troopers apparently weren't prepared for that type of tracking. Guess they don't have bloodhounds.
Apr 20, 2013 7:18pm
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Apr 20, 2013 7:29 PM
reclegend22;1430542 wrote:
reclegend22;1430543 wrote:That required way more work than I anticipated on doing today, by the way. Lol.
reclegend22;1430563 wrote:I rewound my DVR 37 minutes to find that photo lol.
Well done, and thanks, as I had not seen this yet :thumbup:
Apr 20, 2013 7:29pm
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Apr 20, 2013 7:36 PM
vball10set;1430626 wrote:Well done, and thanks, as I had not seen this yet :thumbup:
No problem. I was a bit surprised that Fox was the only channel that really even gave this photo any attention. I felt it was a pretty big development, but haven't seen much about it at all on the internet or from any other channel. I think it helps tell the story of yesterday.
Apr 20, 2013 7:36pm
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Apr 20, 2013 7:40 PM
Con_Alma;1430623 wrote:Do you not consider the National Guard military related?
I guess that's not what I met. I was thinking just non-war time (I'm guessing the hunt for Hussein was probably a multiple of the 9k or so here).
Apr 20, 2013 7:40pm
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Apr 20, 2013 7:44 PM
reclegend22;1430628 wrote:No problem. I was a bit surprised that Fox was the only channel that really even gave this photo any attention. I felt it was a pretty big development, but haven't seen much about it at all on the internet or from any other channel. I think it helps tell the story of yesterday.
That photo is pretty critical to lessons learned, being that he was just outside their perimeter and probably always was. Had he not been hit in the initial shootout he may have escaped. Although realistically I'm not sure how far he could have gotten, on foot or otherwise, before being spotted.
Apr 20, 2013 7:44pm
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Apr 20, 2013 7:46 PM
reclegend22;1430624 wrote: The Super Troopers apparently weren't prepared for that type of tracking. Guess they don't have bloodhounds.
I can see that most K9's are trained for bomb-sniffing, and probably drugs. But I would think they have at least one bloodhound in Boston for tracking missing persons/abductions.

Mythbusters tried several techniques to elude. The bloodhounds found them every time (maybe except once, forgot what he did), including the urban scenario.
Apr 20, 2013 7:46pm
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Apr 20, 2013 8:06 PM
gut;1430636 wrote:I can see that most K9's are trained for bomb-sniffing, and probably drugs. But I would think they have at least one bloodhound in Boston for tracking missing persons/abductions.

Mythbusters tried several techniques to elude. The bloodhounds found them every time (maybe except once, forgot what he did), including the urban scenario.
Amid the reservoir of news specials and documentaries that are sure to follow in the coming weeks, I hope some of these behind-the-scenes questions are answered -- such as what different types of techniques were employed during the hunt and what the focus areas were.
Apr 20, 2013 8:06pm
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Apr 20, 2013 8:22 PM
I'm still confused. What does the picture prove? I thought he got in the boat Friday night. Which means he still would have NOT been in the boat all day Friday.
Apr 20, 2013 8:22pm
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Apr 20, 2013 8:34 PM
Mulva;1430659 wrote:I'm still confused. What does the picture prove? I thought he got in the boat Friday night. Which means he still would have NOT been in the boat all day Friday.
The owner found the suspect in his boat in late afternoon, right after the inside ban had been lifted. It was still light out at the time. So the photo proves that he got into the boat during the early morning hours of Friday.
Apr 20, 2013 8:34pm
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Apr 20, 2013 8:44 PM
reclegend22;1430665 wrote:The owner found the suspect in his boat in late afternoon, right after the inside ban had been lifted. It was still light out at the time. So the photo proves that he got into the boat during the early morning hours of Friday.
I wonder if they did a very half-arsed search, being a block and half from the perimeter, or they just didn't see the tarp was partially removed. Early hours without much light they might miss things.

I also wonder if the blood and open door were noticeable the whole time, or if maybe he didn't go into the shed at some point looking for food/water/supplies.
Apr 20, 2013 8:44pm
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Apr 20, 2013 8:53 PM
gut;1430671 wrote:I wonder if they did a very half-arsed search, being a block and half from the perimeter, or they just didn't see the tarp was partially removed. Early hours without much light they might miss things.

I also wonder if the blood and open door were noticeable the whole time, or if maybe he didn't go into the shed at some point looking for food/water/supplies.
Good point. This is actually a very distinct possibility. One thing is clear: he entered the boat for the first time early Friday morning, when it was still dark. So he was very likely in that backyard the entire day and never inside the so-called perimeter that authorities believed he was inside during their search during the day.
Apr 20, 2013 8:53pm
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Apr 20, 2013 9:17 PM
Ok, this is just me speaking.

I have security cameras on my house, one catches the road for about 30 feet. If I woke up in the morning with the news that a wanted person was on the loose in the Pickerington area, I would have reviewed my security cam footage for the whole night before.What am I missing on why this footage was not reviewed until AFTER he was caught?
Apr 20, 2013 9:17pm
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Apr 20, 2013 9:19 PM
LJ;1430690 wrote:Ok, this is just me speaking.

I have security cameras on my house, one catches the road for about 30 feet. If I woke up in the morning with the news that a wanted person was on the loose in the Pickerington area, I would have reviewed my security cam footage for the whole night before.What am I missing on why this footage was not reviewed until AFTER he was caught?
It was a camera from a business, I think behind his house (looks like some big lot, maybe a cross-dock or warehouse). And, remember, they locked down the town so NOBODY went into work that could have reviewed the camera.
Apr 20, 2013 9:19pm
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Apr 20, 2013 9:22 PM
Supposedly the homeowner looked out, saw bloody clothes and his shed door open...

At that point, would you - as this homeowner did - go lift the shrink wrap to look inside your boat?!? If he had been taken hostage they might still be looking for him.
Apr 20, 2013 9:22pm
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Apr 20, 2013 9:23 PM
gut;1430693 wrote:It was a camera from a business, I think behind his house (looks like some big lot, maybe a cross-dock or warehouse). And, remember, they locked down the town so NOBODY went into work that could have reviewed the camera.
Ok that makes more sense if it was from a business. Probably old tech too, because I can log into mine from anywhere and review 24 hours, including from my phone.
Apr 20, 2013 9:23pm
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Apr 20, 2013 9:24 PM
gut;1430696 wrote:Supposedly the homeowner looked out, saw bloody clothes and his shed door open...

At that point, would you - as this homeowner did - go lift the shrink wrap to look inside your boat?!? If he had been taken hostage they might still be looking for him.
I call the fucking cops. I'm not a vigilante and I'm not approaching something like that by myself. I do sit there with the AR trained on the area until the cops arrive for my own safety.
Apr 20, 2013 9:24pm
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Apr 20, 2013 9:26 PM
LJ;1430699 wrote:I call the ****ing cops. I'm not a vigilante and I'm not approaching something like that by myself. I do sit there with the AR trained on the area until the cops arrive for my own safety.
Yeah, that tip is absolutely critical whether he's in the boat or not because it proves he was outside the perimeter.
Apr 20, 2013 9:26pm