Azubuike24;1420692 wrote:Jim Boeheim and Dean Smith fit the category of "wow, I just looked up his career numbers and am shocked how little he did with so much."

3 Final Fours in 35 years for Boeheim, before this year. Really?

Dean Smith coached for 36 years, probably had the most-talented team a dozen times, yet won 2 titles. 11 Final Four trips, 2 titles?

reclegend22;1420705 wrote:This. Don't ever bring this up to a Carolina fan in a face-to-face situation, especially if you are a Duke or UK fan. I did this to a teacher when I was in school who was a Tar Heel fanatic and I was almost the victim of a pencil stabbing. The anger in his eyes was frightening. I'm dead serious.

When looking back, Dean Smith's tournament success -- outside of the consecutive Sweet 16 streak -- is really underwhelming when held up against guys like K, Rupp, Knight, Wooden, etc. when considering how long Smith was at Carolina. Almost 40 years coaching at an NBA factory and only two nattys?

ironman02;1420723 wrote:How did the great Coack K go 14-24 against such a mediocre coach?

The truth of the matter is that in a one-and-done scenario, the best team doesn't always win. Dean lost some close games and had some key injuries to guys like Phil Ford and Kenny Smith that probably cost him titles. Maybe he should've won more than he did, but to act like a guy with two national titles is somehow and underachiever seems a little ridiculous, especially when he owned your Hall of Fame coach's ass.

There's the pissed off post from a Carolina fan that you were wanting. Lol

Manhattan Buckeye;1420725 wrote:To be fair again, the 1982 championship was huge, and not in a good way (other than that they won) for UNC....prior to that time they were the Buffalo Bills of the NCAA. And it took another decade (and a Chris Webber gaffe) to win again, and then another decade.

ccrunner609;1420745 wrote:Boy that would be a good game. I think Butler wins though.

reclegend22;1420741 wrote:Ignore what? Lol. I simply am posting the facts. Most Carolina fans I know consider Dean to be without question the GOAT coach, and his numbers simply do not measure up.

Dean was a great coach. He won two national titles and invented landmark basketball strategies such as pointing at players for assists, the tired signal and playing keep away. But, he is no longer in the discussion for greatest of all time. He's not even the GOAT of his own conference.

ccrunner609;1420746 wrote:he didnt play well or score in the first 2 games........

killer_ewok;1420754 wrote:I'm surprised but still think that Louisville wins by double digits.

ironman02;1420748 wrote:I hate K, but I'm not arguing that Dean achieved more than him. Four titles is more than two. I just think that calling Dean Smith's career underwhelming, or criticizing him for winning "only" two titles, is a little much.

reclegend22;1420751 wrote:I'm not sure if Wichita State is better than the 2010 Butler team that featured lottery pick Gordon Hayward and future NBA draft pick Shelvin Mack. That Butler team was really, really good and came literally within a second of winning the national title.

While Wichita State is an excellent team, I just don't think Louisville is as awesome as everybody thinks. They are an average offensive team outside of Russ Smith. Duke made Peyton Siva look like Isiah Thomas, but he's in reality not that good.