Pick6
Posts: 14,946
Apr 30, 2013 5:52pm
Because he fired his agent due to him slipping. What did his agent have to do with it? He also refused to show up on day 2 because he didnt go in the first round. I believe he refused to speak to anybody after the first round was over because he was too busy QQing.SportsAndLady;1436437 wrote:Because he thinks he should have been the top player? I don't think that makes him a bitch.
He better back it up though, that's for sure.
NY media will love him.
Not saying he wont be good, but he is making himself out to be a little baby.
Pick6
Posts: 14,946
Apr 30, 2013 5:54pm
Vic Carucci ‏@viccarucci
How important are undrafted FAs? 15 are in the Pro Football HOF. That's 2 more than top overall pix & 7 more than Heisman winners.
How important are undrafted FAs? 15 are in the Pro Football HOF. That's 2 more than top overall pix & 7 more than Heisman winners.
Hb31187
Posts: 8,534
Apr 30, 2013 7:26pm
he was.just embarrassed in front of millions of.people. would you want to give a damn interview?Pick6;1436439 wrote:Because he fired his agent due to him slipping. What did his agent have to do with it? He also refused to show up on day 2 because he didnt go in the first round. I believe he refused to speak to anybody after the first round was over because he was too busy QQing.
Not saying he wont be good, but he is making himself out to be a little baby.
lhslep134
Posts: 9,774
Apr 30, 2013 7:42pm
LOL talk about fun with stats. Small sample size of #1's and giant sample size of UDFAPick6;1436440 wrote:Vic Carucci ‏@viccarucci
How important are undrafted FAs? 15 are in the Pro Football HOF. That's 2 more than top overall pix & 7 more than Heisman winners.
That tweet is worthless to me
Pick6
Posts: 14,946
Apr 30, 2013 7:56pm
I understand the obvious large discrepancy in sample sizes, but I still think its impressive that there are more hall of famers of "nobodys" than "cant miss superstars". Some scouting, huh.lhslep134;1436475 wrote:LOL talk about fun with stats. Small sample size of #1's and giant sample size of UDFA
That tweet is worthless to me
sherm03
Posts: 7,349
Apr 30, 2013 8:17pm
He did show up on the second day. You must have tuned in late.Pick6;1436439 wrote:Because he fired his agent due to him slipping. What did his agent have to do with it? He also refused to show up on day 2 because he didnt go in the first round. I believe he refused to speak to anybody after the first round was over because he was too busy QQing.
Not saying he wont be good, but he is making himself out to be a little baby.
Doesn't really have much to do with scouting. There have been plenty of guys that would have been top talents but got hurt and ended up going undrafted (only to come back and become great players). There's also been plenty of first round picks who get hurt early in their career and never play again.Pick6;1436483 wrote:I understand the obvious large discrepancy in sample sizes, but I still think its impressive that there are more hall of famers of "nobodys" than "cant miss superstars". Some scouting, huh.
It's not an impressive stat.
Pick6
Posts: 14,946
Apr 30, 2013 8:23pm
Can you name me some guys who were good but were UDFAs because of injury and later became HOFers? Not saying you are wrong, would just like to know. I would say more 1st overall picks flame out because they arent as good as believed to be, not because of injury.sherm03;1436488 wrote:He did show up on the second day. You must have tuned in late.
Doesn't really have much to do with scouting. There have been plenty of guys that would have been top talents but got hurt and ended up going undrafted (only to come back and become great players). There's also been plenty of first round picks who get hurt early in their career and never play again.
It's not an impressive stat.
sherm03
Posts: 7,349
Apr 30, 2013 8:34pm
Off the top of my head...no. And admittedly, I don't care enough to look it up.Pick6;1436491 wrote:Can you name me some guys who were good but were UDFAs because of injury and later became HOFers? Not saying you are wrong, would just like to know. I would say more 1st overall picks flame out because they arent as good as believed to be, not because of injury.
Pick6
Posts: 14,946
Apr 30, 2013 8:36pm
Gotcha.sherm03;1436503 wrote:Off the top of my head...no. And admittedly, I don't care enough to look it up.
Laley23
Posts: 29,506
Apr 30, 2013 8:42pm
John Randle
Warren Moon
Larry Little
Jim Langer
Emmit Thomas
Willie Wood
Willie Brown
Joe Perry
Bill Willis
Lou Groza
Dick Lane
Frank Gatski
Marion Motley
Emlen Tunnell
Warren Moon
Larry Little
Jim Langer
Emmit Thomas
Willie Wood
Willie Brown
Joe Perry
Bill Willis
Lou Groza
Dick Lane
Frank Gatski
Marion Motley
Emlen Tunnell
Pick6
Posts: 14,946
Apr 30, 2013 8:45pm
ThanksLaley23;1436512 wrote:John Randle
Warren Moon
Larry Little
Jim Langer
Emmit Thomas
Willie Wood
Willie Brown
Joe Perry
Bill Willis
Lou Groza
Dick Lane
Frank Gatski
Marion Motley
Emlen Tunnell
Laley23
Posts: 29,506
Apr 30, 2013 8:57pm
Of course I found it on a site that was a "click to view next player". I hate those and it almost made me not go through them all, but I was curious lol.Pick6;1436513 wrote:Thanks
j_crazy
Posts: 8,372
Apr 30, 2013 9:06pm
Laley23;1436512 wrote:John Randle
Warren Moon
Larry Little
Jim Langer
Emmit Thomas
Willie Wood
Willie Brown
Joe Perry
Bill Willis
Lou Groza
Dick Lane
Frank Gatski
Marion Motley
Emlen Tunnell
Most of those guys were from an era when the draft was like 20 rounds.
Laley23
Posts: 29,506
Apr 30, 2013 9:08pm
While I am not taking sides here, that would benefits Pick6s argument.j_crazy;1436541 wrote:Most of those guys were from an era when the draft was like 20 rounds.
sherm03
Posts: 7,349
Apr 30, 2013 9:36pm
Not really. Even when there were 20 rounds, there was still just one guy who was the top overall pick.Laley23;1436544 wrote:While I am not taking sides here, that would benefits Pick6s argument.
Laley23
Posts: 29,506
Apr 30, 2013 9:38pm
But less of a chance for someone to go undrafted and make an impact.sherm03;1436580 wrote:Not really. Even when there were 20 rounds, there was still just one guy who was the top overall pick.
I mean, if we had 20 rounds today, NO ONE signed after the draft would be undrafted. They would all be drafted at somepoint.
sherm03
Posts: 7,349
Apr 30, 2013 9:52pm
We had 12 rounds of a draft as early as 1992. No, that's not 20 rounds...but no matter what there will still be lots of guys that don't get drafted for whatever reason and sign as undrafted FA's after the fact.Laley23;1436581 wrote:But less of a chance for someone to go undrafted and make an impact.
I mean, if we had 20 rounds today, NO ONE signed after the draft would be undrafted. They would all be drafted at somepoint.
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BR1986FB
Posts: 24,104
May 1, 2013 7:54am
Maybe not a bitch but delusional. Guy shouldn't have been a top 20 pick, let alone a #1 pick, and he fell to where he should have. In last years draft he's probably a 3rd/4th round pick.SportsAndLady;1436437 wrote:Because he thinks he should have been the top player? I don't think that makes him a bitch.
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Sonofanump
May 1, 2013 10:15am
Saw Tyrann Mathieu is not going to sign without guaranteed money. Ha, sounds like a problem to me.
Pick6
Posts: 14,946
May 1, 2013 2:33pm
Is that uncommon?Sonofanump;1436844 wrote:Saw Tyrann Mathieu is not going to sign without guaranteed money. Ha, sounds like a problem to me.
Commander of Awesome
Posts: 23,151
May 1, 2013 2:35pm
According to collective bargaining agreement, they wont be allowed to sign him without including the guaranteed money anyways. Non story.Sonofanump;1436844 wrote:Saw Tyrann Mathieu is not going to sign without guaranteed money. Ha, sounds like a problem to me.
Iliketurtles
Posts: 8,191
May 1, 2013 3:58pm
http://espn.go.com/blog/playbook/fandom/post/_/id/21474/irrelevant-week-is-pretty-well-relevant
I don't know how I've never heard about this before... or maybe I have and just forgot but that is pretty fucking sweet. If I wasn't picked in the first 2-3 rounds I'd just hope to be Mr. Irrelevant.
I don't know how I've never heard about this before... or maybe I have and just forgot but that is pretty fucking sweet. If I wasn't picked in the first 2-3 rounds I'd just hope to be Mr. Irrelevant.
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BR1986FB
Posts: 24,104
May 2, 2013 9:39am
More scrutiny on Geno Smith....
http://www.sbnation.com/nfl/2013/5/2/4292086/geno-smith-jets-leadership-agent
http://www.sbnation.com/nfl/2013/5/2/4292086/geno-smith-jets-leadership-agent
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Gblock
May 2, 2013 9:46am
Iliketurtles;1436995 wrote:http://espn.go.com/blog/playbook/fandom/post/_/id/21474/irrelevant-week-is-pretty-well-relevant
I don't know how I've never heard about this before... or maybe I have and just forgot but that is pretty ****ing sweet. If I wasn't picked in the first 2-3 rounds I'd just hope to be Mr. Irrelevant.
i wouldnt go that far but i would rather be named mr. irrelevent and at least be drafted, than sign as a FA after the draft
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BR1986FB
Posts: 24,104
May 2, 2013 10:09am
Those perks Mr Irrelevent gets are nice but at that point I'd rather go undrafted so I could pick my own team. I wouldn't want to have to retire versus playing for the Steelers.Gblock;1437236 wrote:i wouldnt go that far but i would rather be named mr. irrelevent and at least be drafted, than sign as a FA after the draft