Can Gruden even get out of his new deal?

Like I said, I am 100% with Holmgren so I wouldn't be upset if Mangini got canned.

devil1197 wrote: Can Gruden even get out of his new deal?

Like I said, I am 100% with Holmgren so I wouldn't be upset if Mangini got canned.

I am sure there are ways out of an ESPN deal. I really don't believe this to be a pipe dream either. Let's only hope along with Mangini, Dabol is on the same one way ticket out of town. I would like to see this staff....still not sure of a GM?

Holmgren>GM?>Gruden>Weis>RRyan....all very obtainable I believe

Got this from the OBR

Now that we know Holmgren is coming aboard, here are some potential GM candidates, who have ties to The Walrus:


John Schneider, 38, Green Bay Co-Director of Football Operations- worked with Holmgren in Green Bay & for one season in Seattle.

John Dorsey, 49, Green Bay Director of College Scouting- worked with Holmgren in Green Bay & for one season in Seattle.

Will Lewis, 51, Seattle Director of Pro Personnel- worked with Holmgren in Green Bay & followd him to Seattle.

Lake Dawson, 37, T ennessee Director of Pro Scouting- worked with Holmgren in Seattle for 6 seasons, before leaving for the Titans in 2007.

rydawg5 wrote: 1. Fire Mangini
2. Hire Brian Billick or Tony Dungy or Gruden (All super bowl winning coaches)
3. Waive/Trade Derek Anderson
4. Trade Brady Quinn
5. Sign a game manager type quarterback
6. Draft Suh in the 1st round
7. Utilize the Wildcat more with Cribbs
8. Focus on defense and a running first type offense (We have no receivers)
9. Hire Charley Wise for a quarterback coach position
10. Re sign Josh Cribbs

This is about as retarded as Florio's shit.

2. It's not that easy..they couldn't get any of these guys last year, they're not gonna get em this year...it's just not gonna happen. Get it through your mind Browns fans--COWHER, DUNGY, BILLICK, GRUDEN, ETC ARE NOT COMING TO CLEVELAND!!!

4. Trade Brady Quinn? Lol are they in need of some footballs or something? Because that's about all they could get right now.

6. Browns aren't gonna pick #1, so they're not going to get Suh... Another thing that Cleveland fans need to get through their unrealistic heads.

8. Focus more on defense and running game--yet all Cleveland fans wanna talk about is the QB and the coach...I agree they need to focus on defense and the running game--so lets talk about that for once and not freakin Brady Quinn or Bill Cowher! I mean just look at this list...only 1 thing actually talks about the defense or running game, and it's an unrealistic point! lol

9. Really? Hire Charlie Weis as the QB coach? The man's got a stack of offers for an offensive coordinating job, he was just the head coach of Notre Dame, and you want him to take a QB job in Cleveland...Christ...

SportsAndLady wrote:

rydawg5 wrote: 1. Fire Mangini
2. Hire Brian Billick or Tony Dungy or Gruden (All super bowl winning coaches)
3. Waive/Trade Derek Anderson
4. Trade Brady Quinn
5. Sign a game manager type quarterback
6. Draft Suh in the 1st round
7. Utilize the Wildcat more with Cribbs
8. Focus on defense and a running first type offense (We have no receivers)
9. Hire Charley Wise for a quarterback coach position
10. Re sign Josh Cribbs

This is about as retarded as Florio's shit.

2. It's not that easy..they couldn't get any of these guys last year, they're not gonna get em this year...it's just not gonna happen. Get it through your mind Browns fans--COWHER, DUNGY, BILLICK, GRUDEN, ETC ARE NOT COMING TO CLEVELAND!!!

4. Trade Brady Quinn? Lol are they in need of some footballs or something? Because that's about all they could get right now.

6. Browns aren't gonna pick #1, so they're not going to get Suh... Another thing that Cleveland fans need to get through their unrealistic heads.

8. Focus more on defense and running game--yet all Cleveland fans wanna talk about is the QB and the coach...I agree they need to focus on defense and the running game--so lets talk about that for once and not freakin Brady Quinn or Bill Cowher! I mean just look at this list...only 1 thing actually talks about the defense or running game, and it's an unrealistic point! lol

9. Really? Hire Charlie Weis as the QB coach? The man's got a stack of offers for an offensive coordinating job, he was just the head coach of Notre Dame, and you want him to take a QB job in Cleveland...Christ...

We just hired Holmgren so your rant about not getting Cowher, Gruden etc. is not sounding very intelligent. We have a President of football operations that has taken 2 teams to superbowls. Coaches will consider what he has to offer.

I agree with the other points though. Suh is going #1 but Berry is a nice consolation prize.

BCSbunk wrote:

SportsAndLady wrote:

rydawg5 wrote: 1. Fire Mangini
2. Hire Brian Billick or Tony Dungy or Gruden (All super bowl winning coaches)
3. Waive/Trade Derek Anderson
4. Trade Brady Quinn
5. Sign a game manager type quarterback
6. Draft Suh in the 1st round
7. Utilize the Wildcat more with Cribbs
8. Focus on defense and a running first type offense (We have no receivers)
9. Hire Charley Wise for a quarterback coach position
10. Re sign Josh Cribbs

This is about as retarded as Florio's shit.

2. It's not that easy..they couldn't get any of these guys last year, they're not gonna get em this year...it's just not gonna happen. Get it through your mind Browns fans--COWHER, DUNGY, BILLICK, GRUDEN, ETC ARE NOT COMING TO CLEVELAND!!!

4. Trade Brady Quinn? Lol are they in need of some footballs or something? Because that's about all they could get right now.

6. Browns aren't gonna pick #1, so they're not going to get Suh... Another thing that Cleveland fans need to get through their unrealistic heads.

8. Focus more on defense and running game--yet all Cleveland fans wanna talk about is the QB and the coach...I agree they need to focus on defense and the running game--so lets talk about that for once and not freakin Brady Quinn or Bill Cowher! I mean just look at this list...only 1 thing actually talks about the defense or running game, and it's an unrealistic point! lol

9. Really? Hire Charlie Weis as the QB coach? The man's got a stack of offers for an offensive coordinating job, he was just the head coach of Notre Dame, and you want him to take a QB job in Cleveland...Christ...

We just hired Holmgren so your rant about not getting Cowher, Gruden etc. is not sounding very intelligent. We have a President of football operations that has taken 2 teams to superbowls. Coaches will consider what he has to offer.

I agree with the other points though. Suh is going #1 but Berry is a nice consolation prize.

That's actually a decent point, but I still stand by my statement...there are much more appealing jobs to those guys then Cleveland.

I stopped reading when I saw "hire Jim Zorn as head coach".

ESPN Insider just mentioned a possibilty of Charlie Weis taking some sort of coaching capacity next year with the Browns. More than likely OC with the chance of earning the HC position in 2011. So the way it sounds, Holmgren may be willing to give Mangini 1 more year.

miller45452003 wrote: ESPN Insider just mentioned a possibilty of Charlie Weis taking some sort of coaching capacity next year with the Browns. More than likely OC with the chance of earning the HC position in 2011. So the way it sounds, Holmgren may be willing to give Mangini 1 more year.

Just what the Browns need: another morbidly obese, highly overrated career NFL assistant coach to be head coach.

No thanks, I'll pass. After all, the last one worked out soooo well.

Did anyone else hear a report last night on ESPN that said Mangini will be fired after the season?

King Curtis wrote: Did anyone else hear a report last night on ESPN that said Mangini will be fired after the season?

Yes...John "The Crypt Keeper" Clayton has said this. I see this not happening myself.

John Clayton is a douche.

SportsAndLady wrote:

rydawg5 wrote: 1. Fire Mangini
2. Hire Brian Billick or Tony Dungy or Gruden (All super bowl winning coaches)
3. Waive/Trade Derek Anderson
4. Trade Brady Quinn
5. Sign a game manager type quarterback
6. Draft Suh in the 1st round
7. Utilize the Wildcat more with Cribbs
8. Focus on defense and a running first type offense (We have no receivers)
9. Hire Charley Wise for a quarterback coach position
10. Re sign Josh Cribbs

This is about as retarded as Florio's shit.

2. It's not that easy..they couldn't get any of these guys last year, they're not gonna get em this year...it's just not gonna happen. Get it through your mind Browns fans--COWHER, DUNGY, BILLICK, GRUDEN, ETC ARE NOT COMING TO CLEVELAND!!!

4. Trade Brady Quinn? Lol are they in need of some footballs or something? Because that's about all they could get right now.

6. Browns aren't gonna pick #1, so they're not going to get Suh... Another thing that Cleveland fans need to get through their unrealistic heads.

8. Focus more on defense and running game--yet all Cleveland fans wanna talk about is the QB and the coach...I agree they need to focus on defense and the running game--so lets talk about that for once and not freakin Brady Quinn or Bill Cowher! I mean just look at this list...only 1 thing actually talks about the defense or running game, and it's an unrealistic point! lol

9. Really? Hire Charlie Weis as the QB coach? The man's got a stack of offers for an offensive coordinating job, he was just the head coach of Notre Dame, and you want him to take a QB job in Cleveland...Christ...

You're rebuttle is complete trash.

1. Brady Quinn sucks.. who cares if we lose him. We can get someone else who sucks anytime any day. (Example: We cut Gradkowski who was doing well for the Raiders) We can pick up a serviceable quarterback. Brady Quinn has done nothing to show that he is serviceable.

2. Your shot at me for saying to draft Suh is another lame one. I don't know when exactly the Browns will draft. What I meant by drafting Suh was DONT DRAFT A QUARTERBACK. We do need a Suh, a Berry, etc to strengthen up our defense.

3. Why can't we get Billick or Gruden? All they are are fired coaches. Geezy. you are dreaming if you think this is impossible. You are the crackhead here. I want a coach with WINNING experience though. Idiot.

4. We talk about the quarterback and coach because neither are worth anything. We do need to focus more on a running/defensive gameplan for more immediate success. We also need to fixate our eyes upon the future and realize it takes a good coach to make this happen. Why do we have to ignore our concerns at quarterback? I dont even get this rebuttle.

5. Okay, I'd like Charley Weiss at Offensive Cooridnator. Whatever.

6. If we cant trade Harrison then resign him, don't give him a lot of money though, he had 1 good game in his life. Good job.

I wrote a list off the top of my head and the way you are a complete jerk.