Rotinaj
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Jun 17, 2013 9:50am
Fielder is a top 11 hitter in baseball.
Ironman92
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Jun 17, 2013 10:15am
Rotinaj;1458888 wrote:Fielder is a top 11 hitter in baseball.
1. Miggy
2. Votto
3. Mauer
4. Braun
5. CarGo
6. Cano
7. Trout
8. Tulo
9. Davis
10. Goldschmidt
Prolly forgot a few guys.
Heretic
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Jun 17, 2013 10:51am
More like Top 2, since all of the Top 11 are Tigers.Rotinaj;1458888 wrote:Fielder is a top 11 hitter in baseball.
lhslep134
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Jun 17, 2013 11:18am
NoRotinaj;1458888 wrote:Fielder is a top 11 hitter in baseball.
karen lotz
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Jun 17, 2013 11:29am
Dan Uggla
Ironman92
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Jun 17, 2013 11:30am
lhslep134;1458920 wrote:No
How does little Cecil rank in WAR and some other hitting metrics?
karen lotz
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Jun 17, 2013 12:40pm
Ironman92;1458929 wrote:How does little Cecil rank in WAR and some other hitting metrics?
#2 right behind Cabrera and ahead of the rest of the Detroit lineup
karen lotz
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Jun 17, 2013 12:40pm
Just sick
Ironman92
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Jun 17, 2013 1:58pm
karen lotz;1458975 wrote:Just sick
Without looking he might be behind Torii and/or Austin
Ironman92
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Jun 17, 2013 2:07pm
Ironman92;1458993 wrote:Without looking he might be behind Torii and/or Austin
After looking
Jhonny Peralta is pretty well above him and Omar Infante is tied
lhslep134
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Jun 17, 2013 2:13pm
Batting value #14Ironman92;1458929 wrote:How does little Cecil rank in WAR and some other hitting metrics?
http://www.fangraphs.com/leaders.aspx?pos=all&stats=bat&lg=all&qual=y&type=6&season=2013&month=0&season1=2013&ind=0&team=0&rost=0&age=0&filter=&players=0&sort=3,d
Weighted runs created+ #23
http://www.fangraphs.com/leaders.aspx?pos=all&stats=bat&lg=all&qual=y&type=1&season=2013&month=0&season1=2013&ind=0&team=0&rost=0&age=0&filter=&players=0&sort=19,d
OPS #14
http://www.fangraphs.com/leaders.aspx?pos=all&stats=bat&lg=all&qual=y&type=1&season=2013&month=0&season1=2013&ind=0&team=0&rost=0&age=0&filter=&players=0&sort=10,d
Really good hitter, but not top 10/11.
Ironman92
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Jun 17, 2013 2:30pm
lhslep134;1458998 wrote:Batting value #14
http://www.fangraphs.com/leaders.aspx?pos=all&stats=bat&lg=all&qual=y&type=6&season=2013&month=0&season1=2013&ind=0&team=0&rost=0&age=0&filter=&players=0&sort=3,d
Weighted runs created+ #23
http://www.fangraphs.com/leaders.aspx?pos=all&stats=bat&lg=all&qual=y&type=1&season=2013&month=0&season1=2013&ind=0&team=0&rost=0&age=0&filter=&players=0&sort=19,d
OPS #14
http://www.fangraphs.com/leaders.aspx?pos=all&stats=bat&lg=all&qual=y&type=1&season=2013&month=0&season1=2013&ind=0&team=0&rost=0&age=0&filter=&players=0&sort=10,d
Really good hitter, but not top 10/11.
I'm not looking to argue....but looking at the batting value at #14....he's getting destroyed in the base running and defensive categories.....how can those figure in to a hitter?
lhslep134
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Jun 17, 2013 2:33pm
They don't, but I can see where you're coming from, since the stats are all presented side by side.Ironman92;1459009 wrote:I'm not looking to argue....but looking at the batting value at #14....he's getting destroyed in the base running and defensive categories.....how can those figure in to a hitter?
From the site's glossary page
Batting - Park Adjusted Runs Above Average based on wOBA
Ironman92
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Jun 17, 2013 2:43pm
Ok....so all of those stats aren't figured in to batting value?
lhslep134
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Jun 17, 2013 2:45pm
As far as I can tell, each of those are just the component stats for total WAR.Ironman92;1459020 wrote:Ok....so all of those stats aren't figured in to batting value?
Ironman92
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Jun 17, 2013 2:55pm
lhslep134;1459022 wrote:As far as I can tell, each of those are just the component stats for total WAR.
I was thinking these look far more needed for Total War.....not who is a top 10 hitter
Rotinaj
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Jun 17, 2013 3:00pm
I was joking w top 11 thing. Also, a stat that determines runs are worth more in certain parks just seems stupid to me.
Ironman92
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Jun 17, 2013 3:03pm
Rotinaj;1459029 wrote:I was joking w top 11 thing. Also, a stat that determines runs are worth more in certain parks just seems stupid to me.
Top 11 (per sleeper) means all players not in the top 10....
Ironman92
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Jun 17, 2013 3:06pm
Orioles and Giants fans really pushing their guys in the ASG
Rotinaj
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Jun 17, 2013 3:17pm
Last I saw Bruce was 15th in voting. Not sure why he isn't getting more love.
lhslep134
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Jun 17, 2013 3:46pm
Eh, I'd argue that runs created does the best job of taking into account hitting ability, but I mean batting value also reflects wRC+ so I think those are the two best categories. Look at who is ahead of Prince in those categories, and it's hard to say he belongs ahead of them (*for the most part*)Ironman92;1459026 wrote:I was thinking these look far more needed for Total War.....not who is a top 10 hitter
Ironman92
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Jun 17, 2013 3:47pm
Rotinaj;1459038 wrote:Last I saw Bruce was 15th in voting. Not sure why he isn't getting more love.
Because all 3 Giants OF are above him and Cincy is not pushed on many around the country. People in Baltimore probably know Bruce as well as most Reds fans know Nick Markasis....just about every team probably has their version of Bruce. Do Reds fans know how good Coco Crisp or Daniel Nava is?....I bet almost anything they don't.
ASG voters suck often, but Bruce hasn't done enough to make fans of other teams to really take notice.
Ironman92
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Jun 17, 2013 3:48pm
Stupid ML site.
Here....current players with 1,000+ RBI
Here....current players with 1,000+ RBI
Ironman92
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Jun 17, 2013 4:10pm
lhslep134;1459044 wrote:Eh, I'd argue that runs created does the best job of taking into account hitting ability, but I mean batting value also reflects wRC+ so I think those are the two best categories. Look at who is ahead of Prince in those categories, and it's hard to say he belongs ahead of them (*for the most part*)
I know....just saying that his base running and defense have nothing to do with him being a top 10 hitter or not.
Midstate01
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Jun 18, 2013 2:56pm
Matt Harvey has a no no through 6 against ATL. But he's at nearly 90 pitches. Has 12ks