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Excuse me, Flo?

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Jan 9, 2013 1:13 PM
Live stream to MLB network following the HOF election results: http://mlb.mlb.com/video/play.jsp?topic_id=6003532&content_id=25543337

I'm at work so I can't use the volume so I'm just trying to follow based on what's on the screen.

List of all the players on the ballot: http://www.baseball-reference.com/awards/hof_2013.shtml

Lots of players from the steroid era. Bonds, Clemens, Sosa, Palmeiro,etc. Jack Morris' last shot at it.

I've been reading some stuff about it and people think the only person who possibly gets in this year is Craig Biggio. Something about that just seems strange to me.

As a Seattle fan, I really want Edgar to get in, but after only getting 36.5% last year it's not happening.

And yes I know it's not a hall of fame without Pete Rose. And I agree with you. When Bud Selig dies, Pete will be in.
Jan 9, 2013 1:13pm
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why so serious?

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Jan 9, 2013 1:16 PM
I think Morris gets in
Jan 9, 2013 1:16pm
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Excuse me, Flo?

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Jan 9, 2013 1:20 PM
Kind of a cool article about how stingy the writers are with the HOF: http://www.sportsonearth.com/article/40897716/

Twenty voters didn't vote for Ted Williams to get into the Hall. That's crazy.

This guy left this comment on the article. His usage of 'what's that' is annoying, but he makes pretty good points.
[h=3]Mike Tanier[/h]Football writer here! What’s that? You say some of these players took performance-enhancing substances? Well, all of those suspensions they received for violating league policy should show up as blemishes on their record.
What’s that? You say there were no suspensions, no tests, and for most of these players’ careers, baseball’s so-called “policy” was a series of memos which treated steroids no differently than a bag of weed, and included no specified guidelines or procedures? Well, you should have had a better policy, even an imperfect one like the NFL’s. The temptation to use performance-enhancing drugs is an unfortunate, inescapable by-product of big-time professional athletics, and a measured system of deterrents and punishments appropriate to the infraction is a must. At least you are sure that these are the only players who used them.
What’s that? You say that untold hundreds of players at all levels of minor and major league competition may have used them? Well, gosh, that figures, since there was no real policy, and some players would start taking them just to remain competitive with other abusers. But at least there has been a comprehensive investigation and we now know for certain that the accomplishments of these players, some of the biggest stars in sports history, should be discounted.
What’s that? You say that even after congressional hearings and long circus trials, no one is entirely sure who did what when, and when one of these players admitted to using steroids, you assumed he was lying because he did not admit to doing them as often or as maliciously as you think he did? Well, I suppose if you want to write off an entire period of your sport’s history as The Steroid Era, cast a pall of suspicion and disgust over a decade’s worth of sports memories, and basically say that everything exciting and delightful that happened in baseball from about 1988 to 2002 was squirted from a syringe into the bloodstream of some villainous cad, you can keep a generation’s worth of all-time greats out of the Hall of Fame for being maybe-slightly guiltier than everyone else of a crime no one bothered to accurately define or enforce.
What’s that? You say that’s what many voters are perfectly willing to do? O-kay. Well, let me just concentrate on the Pro Football Hall of Fame and cast all my votes for Cris Carter.
BALLOT: Barry Bonds, Roger Clemens, Mark McGwire, Sammy Sosa.
Jan 9, 2013 1:20pm
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Jan 9, 2013 1:29 PM
With 34% of the vote public, here are the results:

70.1 - Biggio
60.3 - Piazza
59.8 - Raines
59.3 - J. Morris
59.3 - Bagwell
45.4 - Bonds
44.3 - Clemens
39.2 - Schilling
38.1 - L. Smith
37.6 - Trammell
35.6 - E. Martinez
20.1 - McGriff
18.6 - D. Murphy
16.5 - L. Walker
14.4 - McGwire
13.4 - S. Sosa
12.9 - Raffy
8.8 - Mattingly
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2.7 - Lofton
1.7 - P. Rose (goofy write-in’s)
1.7 - Bernie Williams
0.6 - D. Wells
0.6 - J. Franco
0.6 - S. Alomar Jr.
0.6 - S. Green

http://www.baseballthinkfactory.org/newsstand/discussion/the_2012_hall_of_fame_ballot_collecting_gizmo

At this point, no one is getting in. I'd say the only one with a realistic chance is Biggio.
Jan 9, 2013 1:29pm
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hasbeen

Excuse me, Flo?

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Jan 9, 2013 1:37 PM
Lofton getting knocked out is surprising. I figured he'd at least get the 5%.
Jan 9, 2013 1:37pm
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Jan 9, 2013 1:51 PM
Iliketurtles;1361829 wrote:Yeah also out of the 18 people on ESPN who sumbitted a vote not one of them gave one to him. Which I was surprised by that as well.

http://espn.go.com/mlb/hof13/story/_/id/8824295/mlb-craig-biggio-elected-espn-2013-baseball-hall-fame-ballot
Just odd.

17 year career.
6 consecutive All-Star Games(94-99)
4 consecutive Gold Gloves(93-96)
.299 career hitter

To say he was a Hall of Famer is definitely a conversation, but to get more than 5% I thought was a lock.
Jan 9, 2013 1:51pm
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Excuse me, Flo?

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Jan 9, 2013 1:53 PM
Bernie Williams, Lofton, Wells, Alomar Jr. all failed to get 5% and won't be on another ballot.
Jan 9, 2013 1:53pm
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Jan 9, 2013 1:58 PM
Biggio should get it next year.
Jan 9, 2013 1:58pm
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queencitybuckeye

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Jan 9, 2013 2:17 PM
Whoever doesn't vote for Maddux next year should lose their vote. Continuing decades of stupidity isn't "tradition".
Jan 9, 2013 2:17pm
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Jan 9, 2013 10:55 PM
queencitybuckeye;1361864 wrote:Whoever doesn't vote for Maddux next year should lose their vote. Continuing decades of stupidity isn't "tradition".

+1
Jan 9, 2013 10:55pm
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Jan 9, 2013 11:11 PM
queencitybuckeye;1361864 wrote:Whoever doesn't vote for Maddux next year should lose their vote. Continuing decades of stupidity isn't "tradition".
But people will just because of 'tradition.' it's a joke.
Jan 9, 2013 11:11pm
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Jan 9, 2013 11:12 PM
hasbeen;1362390 wrote:But people will just because of 'tradition.' it's a joke.
I agree. BUT, I think/bet Maddux is a 95% or up first ballot guy.
Jan 9, 2013 11:12pm
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Jan 9, 2013 11:17 PM
Laley23;1362394 wrote:I agree. BUT, I think/bet Maddux is a 95% or up first ballot guy.
He should be unanimous. But nobody has ever been, so somebody will vote no just because. Some of those writers need to die so they can be replaced.
Jan 9, 2013 11:17pm
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Jan 9, 2013 11:26 PM
hasbeen;1362399 wrote:He should be unanimous. But nobody has ever been, so somebody will vote no just because. Some of those writers need to die so they can be replaced.
I dont have a problem with people not being unanimous, because of the 1st ballot thing. 1st ballot should be reserved for the best of the hall, and maybe some dont think Maddux is in that category. It would be a small #, so he still gets in 1st time, but it would keep from being unanimous.

What I hate/dont get is when someone doesnt get in for 6 years then gets in on the 7th try. WTF changed in a year???
Jan 9, 2013 11:26pm
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Jan 9, 2013 11:30 PM
Laley23;1362407 wrote:I dont have a problem with people not being unanimous, because of the 1st ballot thing. 1st ballot should be reserved for the best of the hall, and maybe some dont think Maddux is in that category. It would be a small #, so he still gets in 1st time, but it would keep from being unanimous.

What I hate/dont get is when someone doesnt get in for 6 years then gets in on the 7th try. WTF changed in a year???
I assume part of that is they can only vote for 10 players. So year 6, there are 10 more deserving, but year 7 has a few of them already in which opens a slot for some writers.
Jan 9, 2013 11:30pm
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Jan 9, 2013 11:32 PM
hasbeen;1362412 wrote:I assume part of that is they can only vote for 10 players. So year 6, there are 10 more deserving, but year 7 has a few of them already in which opens a slot for some writers.
Possibly true. The whole process needs changed.
Jan 9, 2013 11:32pm
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queencitybuckeye

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Jan 10, 2013 6:05 AM
Laley23;1362407 wrote:I dont have a problem with people not being unanimous, because of the 1st ballot thing. 1st ballot should be reserved for the best of the hall,
I suppose, but don't agree. To me, it's binary, you is or you ain't.
and maybe some dont think Maddux is in that category.
What freaking game are those people watching?
Jan 10, 2013 6:05am
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Jan 10, 2013 6:24 AM
Maddux will be Seaverish.
Jan 10, 2013 6:24am
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Jan 10, 2013 10:12 AM
Maddux was one of the few pitchers in the game that I would skip watching the reds that night just to watch him pitch. He made the ball dance and just listening to his insight in interviews shows he had the intellect and athletic talents to be the best.

The reds hit him pretty well, and he didnt have great postseason success but still one of the best. His ERA's in the steroid era were amazing
Jan 10, 2013 10:12am
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Jan 10, 2013 9:23 PM
Tigers will win world series

/thread
Jan 10, 2013 9:23pm