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BR1986FB
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Apr 30, 2013 12:18pm
Head scratcher. To me, even had they used those picks versus trading for future picks there were really no players in that draft that were going to put them over the hump.like_that;1436165 wrote:I don't understand this logic. You thought they were near .500 with their current roster, but after they added players they somehow are 2 losses worse?
CLEconomically Speaking
Posts: 401
Apr 30, 2013 12:27pm
That's dumb.Sonofanump;1436157 wrote:Before the draft I was thinking 7-9, 8-8.
After the draft I was thinking 5-11, 6-10.
After looking at the schedule, I am thinking 6-10, 7-9.
AFC East sucks sans the Pats.
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Sonofanump
Apr 30, 2013 12:43pm
Yes. They added greatly in FA, not impressed with the draft. I thought other teams did better that Cleveland in the draft. I hope to be wrong.like_that;1436165 wrote:I don't understand this logic. You thought they were near .500 with their current roster, but after they added players they somehow are 2 losses worse?
CLEconomically Speaking
Posts: 401
Apr 30, 2013 12:45pm
How does not getting better in your eyes translate to them getting worse?
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Sonofanump
Apr 30, 2013 12:46pm
A play here and a play here and a 1 point win turns into a 2 point loss.BR1986FB;1436169 wrote:Head scratcher. To me, even had they used those picks versus trading for future picks there were really no players in that draft that were going to put them over the hump.
I'll see if I feel different after seeing McFadden and who plays guard.
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Sonofanump
Apr 30, 2013 12:47pm
You do understand that all teams get better after the draft. The got marginally better than the other teams.CLEconomically Speaking;1436196 wrote:How does not getting better in your eyes translate to them getting worse?
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BR1986FB
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Apr 30, 2013 12:48pm
I'm getting the impression they're comfortable with Lauvao, Pinky & Greco at the guards, for now.Sonofanump;1436199 wrote:A play here and a play here and a 1 point win turns into a 2 point loss.
I'll see if I feel different after seeing McFadden and who plays guard.
lhslep134
Posts: 9,774
Apr 30, 2013 12:49pm
By other teams on our schedule improving to a higher degree than us.CLEconomically Speaking;1436196 wrote:How does not getting better in your eyes translate to them getting worse?
I disagree with his view, but it's logical.
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Sonofanump
Apr 30, 2013 12:51pm
I thought they could have used their fourth roudner for Barrett Jones from Ala.BR1986FB;1436202 wrote:I'm getting the impression they're comfortable with Lauvao, Pinky & Greco at the guards, for now.
I was hoping they could have traded back, got a lesser rated OLD/DE and better CB withthe extra pick.
derek bomar
Posts: 3,722
Apr 30, 2013 12:54pm
the fact people don't understand his logic hurts my brainz
lhslep134
Posts: 9,774
Apr 30, 2013 1:02pm
I'm of the opinion that your scenario wasn't possible, to get a high ceiling OLB by trading back and still getting a good corner.Sonofanump;1436211 wrote: I was hoping they could have traded back, got a lesser rated OLD/DE and better CB withthe extra pick.
We didn't draft Mingo just to get to the QB, we drafted Mingo because he can get to the QB AND play coverage. Weren't too many players like that in the draft.
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BR1986FB
Posts: 24,104
Apr 30, 2013 1:04pm
Let's say they take the Rams deal and trade back to 16...Jarvis Jones was taken by Pittsburgh at 17 and he was the best left. No guarantee he's still going to be there.
Commander of Awesome
Posts: 23,151
Apr 30, 2013 1:11pm
He def has the potential to do so. I wasn't thrilled about the pick bc of the lack of stat production, but I spent Friday evening watching Mingo highlights from all of his games last senior (surprising amount of good tape there is available on youtube) and the the fact that he was asked to contain was spot on. Still think if you're that superior athletically you should be able to produce regardless, and I do think he needs some work on finishing plays. However I feel better about the pick now than I did on thursday night. Lot riding on him for sure, and nice thing is he'll be able to develop properly and Horton should get him on the path to playing to his potential.lhslep134;1436236 wrote:I'm of the opinion that your scenario wasn't possible, to get a high ceiling OLB by trading back and still getting a good corner.
We didn't draft Mingo just to get to the QB, we drafted Mingo because he can get to the QB AND play coverage. Weren't too many players like that in the draft.
tl:dr version, I agree with you ihslep not that many high ceiling type players, let alone pass rushers who can cover in this draft.
HitsRus
Posts: 9,206
Apr 30, 2013 1:16pm
Forgive me if I don't join in the circle jerk either. I'm with sonofanump in that I feel the Browns got weaker relative to other teams who got stronger because of what they did in the draft. I'm talking about this coming season....we'll have to wait till next year to see if it actually was worth it overall. Just about everybody panned the Browns draft. We got 2 players...other teams got 4 or more. We fail/refused to trade down and get a second rounder, so you are left with the question of whether Barkevious alone is better than somebody drafted 8 spots later plus a second round pick. I'm thinking the latter.
Curiously, that is exactly what the Steelers did. Big Ben is the same age as Brandon Weeden. just sayin'......Traded the picks for next year.. a fourth round QB is a developmental guy
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Sonofanump
Apr 30, 2013 1:19pm
I.E: I think that Minnesota changed from a toss up to a probable loss after the draft.
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BR1986FB
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Apr 30, 2013 1:22pm
Roethlisberger is 2 years older than Weeden.HitsRus;1436257 wrote:Big Ben is the same age as Brandon Weeden. just sayin'......
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Sonofanump
Apr 30, 2013 1:23pm
...and has spent more time in Georgia than Weeden.BR1986FB;1436271 wrote:Roethlisberger is 2 years older than Weeden.
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BR1986FB
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Apr 30, 2013 1:25pm
The only reason I pointed that out wasn't because Weeden was so old...it was moreso hoping that Roethlisberger wasn't that young.
mucalum49
Posts: 1,639
Apr 30, 2013 1:30pm
If Chud has had any influence on the blocking schemes then I'd feel comfortable with those guys to comparing to the mess that is the Carolina offensive line. If he can get a mid range offense playing behind those guys then I think we can acheive similar success next season. Granted Cam is much more mobile to evade defenders but they won games last year where he sat in the pocket. Very few games did he run for a lot of yards on plays he was being hurried in the pocket. Most of his gains were on designed runs.BR1986FB;1436202 wrote:I'm getting the impression they're comfortable with Lauvao, Pinky & Greco at the guards, for now.
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BR1986FB
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Apr 30, 2013 1:35pm
If they are going to be using Weeden in the gun a lot, I'm very comfortable with their pass blocking. It's his slow, plodding 7 step drops that concern me. Their run blocking does leave something to be desired, imo. That's mainly why I wanted Warmack.mucalum49;1436297 wrote:If Chud has had any influence on the blocking schemes then I'd feel comfortable with those guys to comparing to the mess that is the Carolina offensive line. If he can get a mid range offense playing behind those guys then I think we can acheive similar success next season. Granted Cam is much more mobile to evade defenders but they won games last year where he sat in the pocket. Very few games did he run for a lot of yards on plays he was being hurried in the pocket. Most of his gains were on designed runs.
Commander of Awesome
Posts: 23,151
Apr 30, 2013 1:36pm
Warmack has HOF type potential. I'll be very surprised if he doesn't make the pro bowl next season.
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BR1986FB
Posts: 24,104
Apr 30, 2013 1:39pm
Precisely why I wanted him. Dallas had a ridiculously good O-Line and they made what I'd consider a better than average (not great) RB in Emmitt Smith a HOFer. I don't think T-Rich is a superior RB but an O-Line like that would likely make his stats look like one.Commander of Awesome;1436302 wrote:Warmack has HOF type potential. I'll be very surprised if he doesn't make the pro bowl next season.
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Gameover
Posts: 150
Apr 30, 2013 2:06pm
We will find out this year what exactly coaching can do to a roster.
like_that
Posts: 26,625
Apr 30, 2013 2:11pm
Sonofanump;1436194 wrote:Yes. They added greatly in FA, not impressed with the draft. I thought other teams did better that Cleveland in the draft. I hope to be wrong.
I guess I see what you are saying. I liked our draft, and I just don't see the Browns' opponents making themselves better to the point they went from losing to now beating the Browns or vice versa.
Will we? Just because shurmur sucked ass, doesn't guarantee chud knows wtf he is doing. Haven't talked about it in awhile, but I still am not happy about Chud being coach.Gameover;1436316 wrote:We will find out this year what exactly coaching can do to a roster.
SportsAndLady
Posts: 35,632
Apr 30, 2013 2:32pm
7-9 this year, assuming we don't make any huge splashes in picking up leftover FA's.
Will be a fun 7-9 season though, as I definitely think they'll be more fun to watch this season than they have in the last 5+ years.
Will be a fun 7-9 season though, as I definitely think they'll be more fun to watch this season than they have in the last 5+ years.