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James Gatz
Posts: 137
Dec 22, 2012 8:06pm
OSU fan here(actually went to school, didn't just pick out random team to root for *cough*) but will say Craft is one of the most overrated college players in recent memory. He's a white kid with a good story who dives around the court and plays aggressive on-ball defense so all of a sudden he's supposed to be a prime Gary Payton, in reality his defense is very good but not great. And his offense is embarrassing. It would be one thing if he had an inability to score but at least took great care of the ball and set his teammates up, but he doesn't do that particularly well either.
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Red Rider Nation
Posts: 1,085
Dec 22, 2012 8:45pm
Totally agree!James Gatz;1349455 wrote:OSU fan here(actually went to school, didn't just pick out random team to root for *cough*) but will say Craft is one of the most overrated college players in recent memory. He's a white kid with a good story who dives around the court and plays aggressive on-ball defense so all of a sudden he's supposed to be a prime Gary Payton, in reality his defense is very good but not great. And his offense is embarrassing. It would be one thing if he had an inability to score but at least took great care of the ball and set his teammates up, but he doesn't do that particularly well either.
se-alum
Posts: 13,948
Dec 22, 2012 9:04pm
LOL...OSU hast lost to Duke at Cameron, and at home by 6 points to Kansas while shooting 30% from the field. This is still a talented team, but yes, they have some work to do. They aren't a great shooting team, but they're also not a 30% team either. I think it's time to put Williams in the starting lineup and let him develop. Scott has improved leaps and bounds from last year. This team will lose some games this year, but I see them being much better by seasons end. Calm down my Chicken Little's.
robj55
Posts: 9,511
Dec 22, 2012 9:30pm
Great post, agreed.Midstate01;1349421 wrote:And lost by 6. And shot what 20 something percent. Ku didn't play great d. Osu got any shot they wanted. They made very few of them. Matta wasn't out coached today. No coach in America can make their kid make wide open shots...
robj55
Posts: 9,511
Dec 22, 2012 9:33pm
Craft is great on defense, not good.James Gatz;1349455 wrote:OSU fan here(actually went to school, didn't just pick out random team to root for *cough*) but will say Craft is one of the most overrated college players in recent memory. He's a white kid with a good story who dives around the court and plays aggressive on-ball defense so all of a sudden he's supposed to be a prime Gary Payton, in reality his defense is very good but not great. And his offense is embarrassing. It would be one thing if he had an inability to score but at least took great care of the ball and set his teammates up, but he doesn't do that particularly well either.
Ironman92
Posts: 49,363
Dec 22, 2012 9:36pm
Geez....had to watch the last 16 min about 3 hours later. Tough to watch. OSU's offense/shooting was unwatchable. I sit here in my chair and believe we'd score more if Thomas shot 1/2 court shots every possession and we tried to long rebound to score again.
Kansas was the better team.
I'd have OSU about 16th
Kansas was the better team.
I'd have OSU about 16th
Classyposter58
Posts: 6,321
Dec 22, 2012 9:56pm
:laugh:This. I got a text from my dad saying that OSU is NIT bound and another saying they'll get a 6th seed. They lost to Duke and Kansas and it's like the end of the world. I do think that Scott is better than Craft, I think Scott-Ross-Smith-Thomas-Williams is the best 5se-alum;1349471 wrote:LOL...OSU hast lost to Duke at Cameron, and at home by 6 points to Kansas while shooting 30% from the field. This is still a talented team, but yes, they have some work to do. They aren't a great shooting team, but they're also not a 30% team either. I think it's time to put Williams in the starting lineup and let him develop. Scott has improved leaps and bounds from last year. This team will lose some games this year, but I see them being much better by seasons end. Calm down my Chicken Little's.
Midstate01
Posts: 14,766
Dec 22, 2012 10:13pm
Classyposter58;1349497 wrote::laugh:This. I got a text from my dad saying that OSU is NIT bound and another saying they'll get a 6th seed. They lost to Duke and Kansas and it's like the end of the world. I do think that Scott is better than Craft, I think Scott-Ross-Smith-Thomas-Williams is the best 5
My dad does the same thing. He absolutely freaks out.
Classyposter58
Posts: 6,321
Dec 22, 2012 11:40pm
It's ridiculous. Did he play sports? Mine only played golf while I played golf, basketball and lacrosse in high school and it seems like those who have played sports don't freak out. I'll yell and scream, but at moments when it's called for, not just at every random thingMidstate01;1349504 wrote:My dad does the same thing. He absolutely freaks out.
se-alum
Posts: 13,948
Dec 22, 2012 11:52pm
Ross? Seriously? Dude is like a deer in headlights. Can't keep his head in the game. Eventually he'll be good, but not until he can play without thinking so much. It takes him way too long to make decisions.Classyposter58;1349497 wrote::laugh:This. I got a text from my dad saying that OSU is NIT bound and another saying they'll get a 6th seed. They lost to Duke and Kansas and it's like the end of the world. I do think that Scott is better than Craft, I think Scott-Ross-Smith-Thomas-Williams is the best 5
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vball10set
Posts: 24,795
Dec 23, 2012 7:07am
Best post so far, and smh at the "won't make the tournament" nimrods :rolleyes:se-alum;1349471 wrote:LOL...OSU hast lost to Duke at Cameron, and at home by 6 points to Kansas while shooting 30% from the field. This is still a talented team, but yes, they have some work to do. They aren't a great shooting team, but they're also not a 30% team either. I think it's time to put Williams in the starting lineup and let him develop. Scott has improved leaps and bounds from last year. This team will lose some games this year, but I see them being much better by seasons end. Calm down my Chicken Little's.
btw, after going back and reading some of the posts from last night, there's a couple posters who are going to be waking up this morning with some pretty nasty hangovers-lol
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Tiernan
Posts: 13,021
Dec 23, 2012 10:12am
Not a terrible loss considering the "cold hands" which does happen from time to time, but my bigger concern is the Bucks lack of a big man talent in the paint. Doesn't seem to be that guy who challenges opponents driving or swinging into the middle with any consistency.
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Prescott
Posts: 2,569
Dec 23, 2012 12:29pm
btw, I never really said Matta was outcoached today...but Self 3, Matta 0. That is being outcoached.
It is called being out-recruited. Kansas has better players this year and they had better players last year. McLemore and Withey are both projected to be 1st round picks in the 2013 draft. OSU doesn't have a 1st round pick on the roster.
What great coaching move did Self make? Let's double and triple Thomas and see if the other players can beat us. GENIUS!!!!!!
It is called being out-recruited. Kansas has better players this year and they had better players last year. McLemore and Withey are both projected to be 1st round picks in the 2013 draft. OSU doesn't have a 1st round pick on the roster.
What great coaching move did Self make? Let's double and triple Thomas and see if the other players can beat us. GENIUS!!!!!!
lhslep134
Posts: 9,774
Dec 23, 2012 12:57pm
I'm getting pretty sick of the people who blame Matta for the losses. In the big games we've lost over the years, it's been because we've shot SO poorly. That's not Matta's fault, that's on the players.
Midstate01
Posts: 14,766
Dec 23, 2012 2:03pm
Classyposter58;1349567 wrote:It's ridiculous. Did he play sports? Mine only played golf while I played golf, basketball and lacrosse in high school and it seems like those who have played sports don't freak out. I'll yell and scream, but at moments when it's called for, not just at every random thing
My dad didnt play sports and I think he really only started watching them a lot more so he'd have something to talk to me about. Since I don't care for farming lol.
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vball10set
Posts: 24,795
Dec 23, 2012 2:18pm
Agreed. It just shows the ignorance of people when they say one successful coach "outcoaches" another successful coach. When your team shoots 31% and goes 8/31 from the 3, that's not being outcoached, that's being outshot and outplayed.lhslep134;1349732 wrote:I'm getting pretty sick of the people who blame Matta for the losses. In the big games we've lost over the years, it's been because we've shot SO poorly. That's not Matta's fault, that's on the players.
SportsAndLady
Posts: 35,632
Dec 23, 2012 4:22pm
haha, whatever you guys want to tell yourselves.vball10set;1349794 wrote:Agreed. It just shows the ignorance of people when they say one successful coach "outcoaches" another successful coach. When your team shoots 31% and goes 8/31 from the 3, that's not being outcoached, that's being outshot and outplayed.
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Prescott
Posts: 2,569
Dec 23, 2012 4:27pm
haha, whatever you guys want to tell yourselves.
Self is a good coach and the reason I like him is that he gives credit where it belongs, to the players. Players win games coaches can lose them. I don't think Matta has lost any games.I think KU's players won them.
Self is a good coach and the reason I like him is that he gives credit where it belongs, to the players. Players win games coaches can lose them. I don't think Matta has lost any games.I think KU's players won them.
SportsAndLady
Posts: 35,632
Dec 23, 2012 4:28pm
Haha, retard.Prescott;1349722 wrote:btw, I never really said Matta was outcoached today...but Self 3, Matta 0. That is being outcoached.
It is called being out-recruited. Kansas has better players this year and they had better players last year. McLemore and Withey are both projected to be 1st round picks in the 2013 draft. OSU doesn't have a 1st round pick on the roster.
What great coaching move did Self make? Let's double and triple Thomas and see if the other players can beat us. GENIUS!!!!!!
Team rankings:
2011:
Ohio State-10
Kansas-29
2010:
Ohio State-3
Kansas-23
2012, no one really contributed in yesterday's game, and obviously weren't there last year.
And Deshaun Thomas is projected early 2nd, lets not pretend he's not on NBA team's radars.
lol @ what great coaching move did Self make...funniest thing you posted, which is pretty sad considering how all around wrong you were.
SportsAndLady
Posts: 35,632
Dec 23, 2012 4:30pm
Come on..you're crazy if you don't think Matta being 10x the coach Self is had ANYTHING to do with the last 3 games. All 3 times, both teams had talent..except maybe OSU this year.Prescott;1349889 wrote:haha, whatever you guys want to tell yourselves.
Self is a good coach and the reason I like him is that he gives credit where it belongs, to the players. Players win games coaches can lose them. I don't think Matta has lost any games.I think KU's players won them.
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Tiernan
Posts: 13,021
Dec 23, 2012 7:31pm
The argument can be made that maybe Matta needs to draw up some practice plans to improve shooting.
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vball10set
Posts: 24,795
Dec 23, 2012 7:50pm
Self is an excellent coach, but how can you say he "outcoached" someone when he beat them by 11 pts (at home, OSU w/o Sully), 2 pts (Final Four, great game!) and 8 pts (with 4 seniors). S&L, you know the game, and I think you know this wasn't the case of anyone getting outcoached by anyone. Kansas has better players. Period.
SportsAndLady
Posts: 35,632
Dec 23, 2012 7:53pm
I'm not saying it's a gross mismatch in coaching...just that if you win 3 times over a team (both teams in the top 10, all 3 times) in 12 months, it's coaching.vball10set;1350032 wrote:Self is an excellent coach, but how can you say he "outcoached" someone when he beat them by 11 pts (at home, OSU w/o Sully), 2 pts (Final Four, great game!) and 8 pts (with 4 seniors). S&L, you know the game, and I think you know this wasn't the case of anyone getting outcoached by anyone. Kansas has better players. Period.
OSU's talent last year was equal, if not better, than KU's last year. And Self got 2 wins.
Midstate01
Posts: 14,766
Dec 23, 2012 9:38pm
Not in the first game, they played without sully. And def not yesterday. Kansas much more talented. I'll give you the final 4 game though.
If you turn the tables yesterday, self doesn't coach osu to a win. And that's not debatable. No way... You can't shoot under 25% in a second half and win against a quality team.
If you turn the tables yesterday, self doesn't coach osu to a win. And that's not debatable. No way... You can't shoot under 25% in a second half and win against a quality team.
SportsAndLady
Posts: 35,632
Dec 23, 2012 9:47pm
So by all your theory, no less talented team has ever beaten a more talented team?Midstate01;1350081 wrote:Not in the first game, they played without sully. And def not yesterday. Kansas much more talented. I'll give you the final 4 game though.
If you turn the tables yesterday, self doesn't coach osu to a win. And that's not debatable. No way... You can't shoot under 25% in a second half and win against a quality team.
You know it is possible to coach a less talented team to victory, don't you?