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Dec 16, 2012 5:58 PM
gut;1344479 wrote:I think that's a stretch, considering he was clearly prepared to die and wore body armor - I'd say he was prepared to, and possibly anticipated, taking on a single guard. More likely he was getting low on ammo or simply didn't want to risk any chance of being taken alive at that point.
I heard he had hundreds of rounds of unused ammo before killing himself.
Dec 16, 2012 5:58pm
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Dec 16, 2012 6:01 PM
Pick6;1344699 wrote:I heard he had hundreds of rounds of unused ammo before killing himself.
That's what they are saying, but he already had killed dozens at that point. I don't buy that he would have turned around and walked away if there had been an armed guard there. I think he was prepared to take someone, or two, on. Just not the same at all vs. checking out against what was probably every cop in town.
Dec 16, 2012 6:01pm
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Dec 16, 2012 6:03 PM
ccrunner609;1344677 wrote:Give me one better before bashing mine. At this point, schools like this have no defense, cameras, locked doors and hide and seek arent working. You arent funding a police officer in every school in the country. Not hard to hire a administrator that has the trianing.
Yours just isn't practical, or likely even feasible. You can't reduce the risk to 0, although there are plenty of otins that would be more effective than arming admins. It's not their job, nor is it really necessary. And so we are going to turn away qualified admins now because they don't want to carry a gun?

What you're proposing is the equivalent of banning all flying because an airliner goes down once every 100k or so.
Dec 16, 2012 6:03pm
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Dec 16, 2012 6:13 PM
ccrunner609;1344677 wrote:Give me one better before bashing mine. At this point, schools like this have no defense, cameras, locked doors and hide and seek arent working. You arent funding a police officer in every school in the country. Not hard to hire a administrator that has the trianing.
I don't even have to have a proposed solution to disagree with yours.
Dec 16, 2012 6:13pm
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Dec 16, 2012 7:08 PM
ccrunner609;1344770 wrote:then leave the discussion. You have nothing to offer.
Actually I have. And I don't have to leave because I don't agree with your idea.
Dec 16, 2012 7:08pm
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Dec 16, 2012 8:06 PM
ccrunner609;1344867 wrote:my idea is the absolute only way this could of been prevented. At this point there is and was no way to stop it.

Your idea doesn't prevent anything.
Dec 16, 2012 8:06pm
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Dec 16, 2012 9:10 PM
ccrunner609;1344930 wrote:But it CAN stop it. Nothing is 100%.
And you master plan will last until some innocent kid or parent gets shot by someone that forgot their training, or panicked.
Dec 16, 2012 9:10pm
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Dec 16, 2012 9:55 PM
There are thousand of men and women retired military, police, ems, fire that are CCW registered plus there are thousand more who work part time that would also volunteer for SPD (School Patrol Duty). With additional training, proficiency testing, corporation with local police and a organization to over see assignments every school could have at any time one or two SPD on the school property. The same could also be for malls, theaters and sporting events and other public gathering. How effective would be based on training a deterrent most definitely. </SPAN>

Right now I could make a phone call a 20 Vietnam Vet with CCW would be at my door step willing to volunteer for SPD on my word to help save kids lives. </SPAN>
Dec 16, 2012 9:55pm
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Dec 16, 2012 10:12 PM
Belly35;1345010 wrote:There are thousand of men and women retired military, police, ems, fire that are CCW registered plus there are thousand more who work part time that would also volunteer for SPD (School Patrol Duty). With additional training, proficiency testing, corporation with local police and a organization to over see assignments every school could have at any time one or two SPD on the school property. The same could also be for malls, theaters and sporting events and other public gathering. How effective would be based on training a deterrent most definitely.

Right now I could make a phone call a 20 Vietnam Vet with CCW would be at my door step willing to volunteer for SPD on my word to help save kids lives.
Neat idea, but you are fooling yourself if you think this would work on a large scale.
Dec 16, 2012 10:12pm
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Dec 16, 2012 10:24 PM
WebFire;1345030 wrote:Neat idea, but you are fooling yourself if you think this would work on a large scale.
Real ! I think you're wrong I think with the help/ support of the NRA, VA, Veteran organization this could work perfectly
Dec 16, 2012 10:24pm
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Dec 16, 2012 10:27 PM
Belly35;1345042 wrote:Real ! I think you're wrong I think with the help/ support of the NRA, VA, Veteran organization this could work perfectly
There are roughly 100,000 public schools in the United States.
Dec 16, 2012 10:27pm
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Dec 16, 2012 10:31 PM
If anyone was watching the door, and maybe not buzz him in blindly, they would have seen him coming long before he opened fire. Faster notification for police and more time to get people to safety.

Everyone is searching for the perfect solution, and they just completely screwed the pooch on one of the simplest and most effective preventative measures.
Dec 16, 2012 10:31pm
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Dec 16, 2012 10:33 PM
ccrunner609;1345049 wrote:Anyone watching Geraldo right now? He just said:

"I want one person in that school with a gun, administrator, superintendant, PE teacher, janitor..."


I was being called stupid. National discourse is going to call for this as a viable option other then hide and seek.

I heard a guy on CNN talking about having a conceal and carry school employee.
Oh, well if Geraldo says so! :laugh:
Dec 16, 2012 10:33pm
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Dec 16, 2012 10:38 PM
Lol @ pointing out that freakin' Geraldo agrees with you. That goes against your cause more than it helps. Dudes a fucking idiot.
Dec 16, 2012 10:38pm
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Dec 16, 2012 10:54 PM
ccrunner609;1345062 wrote:It has been brought up 2 times tonight on national TV, the idea of having school officials armed. You heard it here first
Taking credit for being the first to have this idea? You truly are wacky. It's been all over my Facebook and message boards since the news broke.
Dec 16, 2012 10:54pm
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Dec 16, 2012 11:11 PM
ccrunner609;1345049 wrote:Anyone watching Geraldo right now? He just said:

"I want one person in that school with a gun, administrator, superintendant, PE teacher, janitor..."


I was being called stupid. National discourse is going to call for this as a viable option other then hide and seek.

I heard a guy on CNN talking about having a conceal and carry school employee.

Geraldo? Lol....haven't heard that name in 15 years. What Phil Donahue think?
Dec 16, 2012 11:11pm
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Dec 17, 2012 12:08 AM
Belly35;1345010 wrote:There are thousand of men and women retired military, police, ems, fire that are CCW registered plus there are thousand more who work part time that would also volunteer for SPD (School Patrol Duty). With additional training, proficiency testing, corporation with local police and a organization to over see assignments every school could have at any time one or two SPD on the school property. The same could also be for malls, theaters and sporting events and other public gathering. How effective would be based on training a deterrent most definitely.

Right now I could make a phone call a 20 Vietnam Vet with CCW would be at my door step willing to volunteer for SPD on my word to help save kids lives.
The fact that it's people like Belly who will volunteer to be the school security guards tells us all we need to know about how terrible an idea it is. Some mentally unstable guys with the IQ of a Labrador Retriever would be walking around with guns in elementary schools.
Dec 17, 2012 12:08am
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Dec 17, 2012 12:40 AM
James Gatz;1345216 wrote:The fact that it's people like Belly who will volunteer to be the school security guards tells us all we need to know about how terrible an idea it is. Some mentally unstable guys with the IQ of a Labrador Retriever would be walking around with guns in elementary schools.

I don't agree with Belly on many topics, and I sure as hell am not going to judge his IQ based on spelling and grammar on an online message board. I will highly disagree with you on your failed attempt. He's just an old timer, but he's an intelligent old timer at that.

Unless thats what you meant since Retrievers are smart?
Dec 17, 2012 12:40am
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Dec 17, 2012 6:56 AM
It's probably been said, but armed security guards or police surveying the school and school grounds are my suggestion. He forced his way into the school, only way to stop a guy with a gun is with a gun. If there are armed guards/police in that school when he blasts his way in he still may kill people, but he may not.

I also think these idiots blaming video games are fucking morons. Over 16 million of the latest Call of Duty game sold and they're not going out and killing people, millions of people own the game and they're behaving. Blaming video games is a cop out, it's parents not recognizing their kids need help.

I honestly don't think there is any way to stop a lunatic from hurting people if he wants to hurt someone.
Dec 17, 2012 6:56am
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Dec 17, 2012 7:21 AM
James Gatz;1345216 wrote:The fact that it's people like Belly who will volunteer to be the school security guards tells us all we need to know about how terrible an idea it is. Some mentally unstable guys with the IQ of a Labrador Retriever would be walking around with guns in elementary schools.
The Labrador Retrieve is a highly regard K9 in the obedience and field events for their intelligence. Your lack of knowledge of the world of Canine Breeding and the attribute of the different species is a testimony to your intellect. Your judgment of me based on my spell and grammar is also an indication of poor coherent thinking. mofo :D</SPAN></SPAN>
Dec 17, 2012 7:21am
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Dec 17, 2012 7:52 AM
Raw Dawgin' it;1345248 wrote:It's probably been said, but armed security guards or police surveying the school and school grounds are my suggestion. He forced his way into the school, only way to stop a guy with a gun is with a gun. If there are armed guards/police in that school when he blasts his way in he still may kill people, but he may not.

I also think these idiots blaming video games are fucking morons. Over 16 million of the latest Call of Duty game sold and they're not going out and killing people, millions of people own the game and they're behaving. Blaming video games is a cop out, it's parents not recognizing their kids need help.

I honestly don't think there is any way to stop a lunatic from hurting people if he wants to hurt someone.
Can&#8217;t stop crazy and deranged individual for hurting others, it&#8217;s not the guns or video game that make them kill, their insanity does that. They will always find a way from home made bombs, to poison, vehicles, knifes and pushing people of subways. What next banning of baking soda, drain-o, ford, butter knifes, plastic fork and massive transit system &#8230;&#8230;.. By addressing the object that inflicted the damage is not the solution to the problem that just an agenda and an easy feel good verbiage. Addressing the failure of the system, government, medical and educational, restriction on reporting and the ever threading legal ramification is the problem. Correcting those areas is difficult but beginning of the prevention. </SPAN>


Less restriction on the reporting of mentally derange individual, profiling some as harmful to the public, stop the political correctness of a few and start protect the masses. Medical, Educational and Social Counselors need to be more effective in reporting to the authorities those individual that have signs of potential harm to the public. Parents it is time you to face the reality of your children and relative that need help and report them before it to late. </SPAN>
Dec 17, 2012 7:52am
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Dec 17, 2012 7:54 AM
Alcohol, cigarettes, and food kill more people than guns.
Dec 17, 2012 7:54am
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Dec 17, 2012 8:02 AM
The solution is pretty obvious... Cameras capable of firing ammunition. You send a distress call like a bank... Police headquarters remote in and take over the cameras. Cameras lock in on target and eliminate target.

Drone cameras in school.
Dec 17, 2012 8:02am
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Dec 17, 2012 8:27 AM
What about limit on how many guns you can own or limit how many you can keep in a home? How about if you store them in a home ammo and guns each have to be stored in a separate safes?
Dec 17, 2012 8:27am