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Dec 15, 2012 3:51 PM
The crazy would just wait for recess, or school letting out when they are going to buses and what not.

There are things that can be done, but more or less just placebos to make people feel safer, which sometimes is underrated.
Dec 15, 2012 3:51pm
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Dec 15, 2012 3:57 PM
Better diagnoses and treatment of mentally ill people would be a good start. Most of the notable mass killers of the past couple decades(Klebold, Harris, Cho, Holmes, and it seems Lanza) gave ample warning signs and in most cases were even flagged by a psychiatrist, but were simply ignored.
Dec 15, 2012 3:57pm
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Dec 15, 2012 3:59 PM
Actually, maybe the best solution is pretty simple and relatively inexpensive: reinforce doors (replace the glass with a peephole) and lock - only teacher and a few admin people would have keys. Basically it makes every classroom a panic room.

It will work great until some teacher goes all Jonestown.
Dec 15, 2012 3:59pm
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Dec 15, 2012 4:16 PM
James Gatz;1343886 wrote:Better diagnoses and treatment of mentally ill people would be a good start. Most of the notable mass killers of the past couple decades(Klebold, Harris, Cho, Holmes, and it seems Lanza) gave ample warning signs and in most cases were even flagged by a psychiatrist, but were simply ignored.
This is a very good point. I think some of the best words in the past few weeks actually came from Brady Quinn
I know when it happened, I was sitting and, in my head, thinking what I could have done differently. When you ask someone how they are doing, do you really mean it? When you answer someone back how you are doing, are you really telling the truth?<center>
</center> Uh, we live in a society of social networks, with Twitter pages and Facebook, and that&#8217;s fine and stuff, but we have contacts with our work associates, our family, our friends, and it seems like half the time we are more preoccupied with our phone and other things going on instead of the actual relationships that we have right in front of us. And hopefully, people can learn from this and try to actually figure out if someone is battling something deeper on the inside than what they are revealing on a day-to-day basis.
Dec 15, 2012 4:16pm
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Dec 15, 2012 4:41 PM
James Gatz;1343886 wrote:Better diagnoses and treatment of mentally ill people would be a good start.
This country has a long way to go on that. Between the uninsured that have no real access to on-going medical care, and those who do have insurance that plans cover very little mental health related, it is kind of tough.

Unlike a broken leg, or an infection, mental illness is an on-going thing that needs consistent treatment. It doesn't just heal itself up and you move on.

To be treated effectively it requires access to often expensive drugs, as well as consistent appointments with psychiatrists/psychologists that aren't cheap.

To properly treat many mental illnesses with a positive outcome the resources people have access to (be it medicaid or personal insurance) are often insufficient.

That in and of itself is a totally different conversation, but until mental illness treatment is put on par with any other illness and not considered something "different" we aren't ever going to get our arms wrapped around the problem of it.
Dec 15, 2012 4:41pm
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Dec 15, 2012 5:56 PM
Pick6;1343600 wrote:Not sure about that, because like I said Im pretty sure a lot of schools are already doing this. I believe I went to one of the poorest districts in Ohio(cant find a link), and we even had a part time Sheriff.
My town didn't even pass the levy for police, so we had a county sheriff that patrolled once every two weeks.
Dec 15, 2012 5:56pm
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Dec 15, 2012 5:59 PM
Pick6;1343634 wrote:Like I said, security guards are pretty common in schools now. I figure schools that do not have one are in the minority.
WebFire;1343640 wrote:Maybe in your parts they are common. I'd be curious how many in my tri-county area have security guards in their school.
Benny The Jet;1343649 wrote:We do not have any security guards in the school district I work at
Pick6;1343676 wrote:Cant find any data on the % of schools who have guards anywhere.
I can name AT LEAST a dozen school districts in Trumbull County alone that don't have security guards.
Dec 15, 2012 5:59pm
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Dec 16, 2012 11:05 AM
Pick6;1343617 wrote:I agree, but you have to take into consideration that a concentration on school security is something fairly new that didnt start to happen until after Columbine.

Apparently salaries.
always interesting what the teacher haters think, but what did teachers do in the situation
"Teachers step up amid terror at school"
http://www.journalgazette.net/article/20121216/NEWS03/312169897/0/SEARCH
Dec 16, 2012 11:05am
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Dec 16, 2012 11:16 AM
I wouldn't carry. IMO 100 zillion times more likely to go off than what happened and me stopping it.
Dec 16, 2012 11:16am
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Dec 16, 2012 11:21 AM
Benny The Jet;1343538 wrote: it'll happen if someone wants it to happen
this
Dec 16, 2012 11:21am
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Dec 16, 2012 11:34 AM
isadore;1344281 wrote:always interesting what the teacher haters think, but what did teachers do in the situation
"Teachers step up amid terror at school"
http://www.journalgazette.net/article/20121216/NEWS03/312169897/0/SEARCH
LOL.Im a teacher hater? Keep grasping loser.
Dec 16, 2012 11:34am
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Dec 16, 2012 11:40 AM
Pick6;1344297 wrote:LOL.Im a teacher hater? Keep grasping loser.
gosh a ruddies, you are condemned by your own words.
Pick6 wrote:Nor did I say they were, that is just my interpretation due to the fact of teachers going on strike for levy's not passing, when there are more important levy's that could be getting passed. Citizens would be more likely to vote to increase the safety of their children than the salary of the teachers.
Dec 16, 2012 11:40am
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James Gatz

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Dec 16, 2012 2:00 PM
ccrunner609;1344274 wrote:Notice how these mass shootings are always in nice rural areas? Where is the mass shootings in these troubled, gun filled communities in urban areas?
Black people tend to commit murder for a reason: monetary gain, retaliation, etc. White people tend to be weirdos who snap and start killing randomly or to fulfill some sexual fetish. Look at the % of known serial killers that are white.

Fuckin' white people

Dec 16, 2012 2:00pm
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Dec 16, 2012 2:04 PM
James Gatz;1344418 wrote:Black people tend to commit murder for a reason: monetary gain, retaliation, etc. White people tend to be weirdos who snap and start killing randomly or to fulfill some sexual fetish. Look at the % of known serial killers that are white.

****in' white people
Which results in more deaths?
Dec 16, 2012 2:04pm
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Dec 16, 2012 2:22 PM
"Gunman shot self as 1st responders arrived."

Maybe security officers in schools would/do make a difference. Seems authorities saved lives in this case. Appears he wanted no part of any gun fight, the bastard just wanted to kill as many unarmed people as possible.

http://news.yahoo.com/gov-gunman-shot-self-1st-responders-closed-152837726.html
Dec 16, 2012 2:22pm
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Dec 16, 2012 2:30 PM
Con_Alma;1344425 wrote:Which results in more deaths?
I'm guessing there are more murders in the inner city, though fewer instances of being tied up in a basement and having your dead corpse fucked while wearing his mother's skin.
Dec 16, 2012 2:30pm
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Dec 16, 2012 2:30 PM
James Gatz;1344476 wrote:I'm guessing there are more murders in the inner city, though fewer instances of being tied up in a basement and having your dead corpse fucked while wearing his mother's skin.
link?
Dec 16, 2012 2:30pm
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Dec 16, 2012 2:33 PM
Pick6;1344463 wrote:Appears he wanted no part of any gun fightl
I think that's a stretch, considering he was clearly prepared to die and wore body armor - I'd say he was prepared to, and possibly anticipated, taking on a single guard. More likely he was getting low on ammo or simply didn't want to risk any chance of being taken alive at that point.
Dec 16, 2012 2:33pm
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Dec 16, 2012 2:42 PM
Pick6;1344478 wrote:link?
Install TOR, browse deep web. Noob
Dec 16, 2012 2:42pm
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Dec 16, 2012 2:48 PM
anyone remember Charles Whitman? You completely lock down schools and some crazy will just wait until the children and adults exit going home. You push the fences and gates back further and further, a gunman will just wait. You always have to leave the safety of the perimeter eventually.
Dec 16, 2012 2:48pm
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Dec 16, 2012 3:05 PM
James Gatz;1344476 wrote:I'm guessing there are more murders in the inner city, though fewer instances of being tied up in a basement and having your dead corpse ****ed while wearing his mother's skin.
That's what I would think also....more murders resulting from the scenario your described above. Dead is dead.
Dec 16, 2012 3:05pm
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Dec 16, 2012 5:05 PM
ccrunner609;1344595 wrote:not hard to play offense when there is no defense. Arm your administrators and this doesnt happen.
Arming an admin at our school wouldn't guarantee anything. There are full glass doors that lead directly into classrooms, and hallways. Your admin might be at the other end of the school. This is not a solution.
Dec 16, 2012 5:05pm
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Dec 16, 2012 5:15 PM
This is an article from today...
"What we know is he shot his way into the building. He was not buzzed in," Malloy told ABC's "This Week." "He penetrated the building by literally shooting an entrance into the building."
Dec 16, 2012 5:15pm
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Dec 16, 2012 5:18 PM
WebFire;1344663 wrote:This is an article from today...




Shot out the glass in a door?
Dec 16, 2012 5:18pm
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Dec 16, 2012 5:20 PM
Doesn't say.
Dec 16, 2012 5:20pm