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Dec 21, 2012 5:07 PM
Tiernan;1348828 wrote:Schools are never going to arm teachers or use retired military to walk the halls so its stupid to even keep talking about. I would guess there might and I think its a very slim might they will even start allowing resource officers to be armed. But feel free to keep regurgitating a completely asinine idea that will never happen.
LOL!

Just like with a lot of things, it will never happen until it does.

There is already a private Jewish elementary school that allows armed parents to rotate in shifts standing guard in the classroom with an AK.

Also, this is happening.

So it's not only possible, it's already starting. The question in this thread is not (and has not been) whether or not it will happen, but whether or not it will be effective and/or a good idea.

If you're going to be condescending, at least keep up.
Dec 21, 2012 5:07pm
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Dec 21, 2012 5:38 PM
I'll give the NRA credit, they have balls of steel. Didn't think there was anyway they'd have the heart to get up there and with a straight face blame video games, movies, music videos(lol), etc. while clamoring for more guns in schools, but they did.
Dec 21, 2012 5:38pm
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Dec 21, 2012 5:40 PM
Tiernan;1348828 wrote:Schools are never going to arm teachers or use retired military to walk the halls so its stupid to even keep talking about. I would guess there might and I think its a very slim might they will even start allowing resource officers to be armed. But feel free to keep regurgitating a completely asinine idea that will never happen.
Dec 21, 2012 5:40pm
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Dec 21, 2012 5:48 PM
Is there anyone on board with just not changing anything? School shootings are a rarity. On a risk-reward basis I'm fine with my kid taking whatever minuscule chance of being the victim of a shooting vs. the guarantee of having them go to a school with armed guards walking around and exposing them to that dynamic at such a young age. Especially when you consider arming staff doesn't necessarily even cut the risk of a school shooting by a significant amount, none of this seems logical, just reactionary.

I'd be fine with my kid playing sports for the same reason. Sure, there's a small risk he/she will die/suffer a major injury, but the guarantee of them missing out on something I consider important to development outweighs whatever small risk accompanies it.
Dec 21, 2012 5:48pm
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Dec 21, 2012 5:50 PM
Yes the occasional odd ball private school and some hillbilly backwater publics will more than likely allow this to happen, but regular educated folks are never going to approve this and I stand by that. so give me all the LOLs and ORLYs you Fkn want but until one single recognized school district in America actually does it...GFY.
Dec 21, 2012 5:50pm
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Dec 21, 2012 5:58 PM
Tiernan;1348868 wrote:Yes the occasional odd ball private school and some hillbilly backwater publics will more than likely allow this to happen, but regular educated folks are never going to approve this and I stand by that. so give me all the LOLs and ORLYs you Fkn want but until one single recognized school district in America actually does it...GFY.
It would be interesting if Ohio allowed schools to decide to this for themselves, how many would actually do it. We know at least one would, with that security expert gym teacher.
Dec 21, 2012 5:58pm
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Dec 21, 2012 6:05 PM
I'm waiting on CC to weigh in here...I'm betting he agrees with me.
Dec 21, 2012 6:05pm
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Dec 21, 2012 6:11 PM
Tiernan;1348828 wrote:Schools are never going to arm teachers or use retired military to walk the halls so its stupid to even keep talking about.
Tiernan;1348868 wrote:Yes the occasional odd ball private school and some hillbilly backwater publics will more than likely allow this to happen
Backpedaling already, are we?
Tiernan;1348868 wrote:... but regular educated folks are never going to approve this and I stand by that.
I'll take the No True Scotsman logical fallacy for $500, Alex.
Tiernan;1348868 wrote:so give me all the LOLs and ORLYs you Fkn want but until one single recognized school district in America actually does it...***.
Both examples are recognized members of a school district and are as accredited as any other school teaching the same grades. Try harder.
Dec 21, 2012 6:11pm
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Dec 21, 2012 6:16 PM
ccrunner609;1348880 wrote:You are the typical clueless dumbass like webby is. Do you realize that resource officers are in schools everyday with guns? THey are freaking sheriffs like the real ones.....duh. I was just standing in the hallway with a glock 9 on my resource officer 2 days ago.

Man you are clueless
OK I accept your expertise...but the resource officers in our district DO NOT carry while in the schools. But my question to you is: do you really think mainstream America school districts would ever approve of teachers and / or admn carrying firearms? I truly do belive your opinion carries significantly more weight than most of the jerk-paddys on here.
Dec 21, 2012 6:16pm
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Dec 21, 2012 6:22 PM
James Gatz;1348867 wrote:Is there anyone on board with just not changing anything? School shootings are a rarity. On a risk-reward basis I'm fine with my kid taking whatever minuscule chance of being the victim of a shooting vs. the guarantee of having them go to a school with armed guards walking around and exposing them to that dynamic at such a young age. Especially when you consider arming staff doesn't necessarily even cut the risk of a school shooting by a significant amount, none of this seems logical, just reactionary.
No, I pretty much agree with all of that. There will be a lot of blustering from both sides, with the left saying less guns are the solution and the right saying more guns are the solution. And in the end all that will really come from it will be some new shitty and ineffective gun laws.

Even if you can reduce or eliminate the risk at school, it just means you're elevating the risk somewhere else because these nuts aren't going away or giving up. So from my perspective, any proposal involving any amount of money is just flushing it down the toilet. Nothing more than whack-a-mole.
Dec 21, 2012 6:22pm
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Dec 21, 2012 6:26 PM
ccrunner609;1348884 wrote:Yes, my school board president already said that he feels the best option against school shootings is to meet a gun with a gun. Our resource officer works at different schools so they cannot be there daily. The staff at my school is loaded with hunters and outdoorsmen and some already have firearms training.

I believe that this incident has jumped the shark and we arent going back to the good ole days.......the next incident like this will be the last and schools will be armed. THere is no way to keep a school from being a soft target.
OK I stand corrected. But I'm still very skeptical it will be widespread enough to stop the next lunatic dead in a school hallway before he gets some rounds off. I hope I'm wrong.
Dec 21, 2012 6:26pm
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Dec 21, 2012 6:29 PM
Tiernan;1348874 wrote:I'm waiting on CC to weigh in here...I'm betting he agrees with me.

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Dec 21, 2012 6:29pm
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Dec 21, 2012 6:34 PM
Ya gotta have the balls to step to the plate and take a cut occasionally Chief.



oh BTW...you're fat too.
Dec 21, 2012 6:34pm
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Dec 21, 2012 6:38 PM
Tiernan;1348892 wrote:Ya gotta have the balls to step to the plate and take a cut occasionally Chief.



oh BTW...you're fat too.

*Fat with a clean driving record.
Dec 21, 2012 6:38pm
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Dec 21, 2012 6:41 PM
And I'm pretty sure just about everybody on this site has stepped up to the plate at one time or another and told you you're an ***** (take a guess, I'm sure even you can figure that one out). Just keep posting and proving us right.
Dec 21, 2012 6:41pm
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Dec 21, 2012 10:47 PM
ccrunner609;1348880 wrote:You are the typical clueless dumbass like webby is. Do you realize that resource officers are in schools everyday with guns? THey are freaking sheriffs like the real ones.....duh. I was just standing in the hallway with a glock 9 on my resource officer 2 days ago.

Man you are clueless
We get it. You can only hold an opinion on this if you are a gym teacher at a small school in Ohio. You win buddy.
Dec 21, 2012 10:47pm
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Dec 21, 2012 11:14 PM
ccrunner609;1348965 wrote:No just pointing out to all of you that you guys are clueless about what you think you know. You went to a school so you think you know about schools.
Like I said.
Dec 21, 2012 11:14pm
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Dec 21, 2012 11:16 PM
Yes, because a gym teacher knows all about school security!

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Dec 21, 2012 11:16pm
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Dec 22, 2012 10:10 AM
ccrunner609;1349030 wrote:fixed
My bad. I'm not a gym teacher, so my spelling and grammar is normally OK. :(
Dec 22, 2012 10:10am
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Dec 22, 2012 10:13 AM
ccrunner609;1348965 wrote:No just pointing out to all of you that you guys are clueless about what you think you know. You went to a school so you think you know about schools.
El o fricken' El...you have proved over and over that you're no more knowledgeable than anyone, on any subject, ever...douchbagery aside. Sitting in on a few meetings that discuss security and school related things make you no more important, knowledgeable, "in the know", or otherwise able to put forth a more educated opinion than a den mother for a Cub Scout meeting...point being, there hasn't been enough focus on this type of thing. Were there a focus, your dodgeball organizational skills would not be required.
Dec 22, 2012 10:13am
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Dec 22, 2012 3:04 PM
ccrunner609;1348965 wrote:No just pointing out to all of you that you guys are clueless about what you think you know. You went to a school so you think you know about schools.
So, what country have you run that makes you qualified to post on the political forum about the job the president is doing? Let me guess...it's not "clueless" when you're doing it?
Dec 22, 2012 3:04pm