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Dec 15, 2012 10:46 AM
Pick6;1343614 wrote:"dont bring a knife to a gun fight"

What is to prevent somebody from sneaking a hand gun into a school (even if he is let in)?
Nothing. I don't think it can be 100% prevented. But making it harder is a good first step.
Dec 15, 2012 10:46am
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Dec 15, 2012 10:48 AM
WebFire;1343632 wrote:It has nothing to do with a levy. Probably more like, why should we NEED an armed guard. Maybe that's changing. I'm not sure it is. This is an extreme reaction to a rare event.
Like I said, security guards are pretty common in schools now. I figure schools that do not have one are in the minority.
Dec 15, 2012 10:48am
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Dec 15, 2012 11:00 AM
Even with a security guard, who is only carrying at best a pistol, on the school grounds, if a perp in full combat gear shoots out a window and enters the building with a couple of bushmasters, it's game over for the cop and any child the gunman wants to plant a bullet inside.
Dec 15, 2012 11:00am
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Dec 15, 2012 11:08 AM
Pick6;1343634 wrote:Like I said, security guards are pretty common in schools now. I figure schools that do not have one are in the minority.
Maybe in your parts they are common. I'd be curious how many in my tri-county area have security guards in their school.
Dec 15, 2012 11:08am
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Dec 15, 2012 11:14 AM
reclegend22;1343638 wrote:Even with a security guard, who is only carrying at best a pistol, on the school grounds, if a perp in full combat gear shoots out a window and enters the building with a couple of bushmasters, it's game over for the cop and any child the gunman wants to plant a bullet inside.
I agree. These things will happen no matter what you do. But does that mean we shouldn't do anything? A security guard may not be of much help in that situation, but that doesnt mean the guard wont make a difference in other situations.
Dec 15, 2012 11:14am
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Dec 15, 2012 11:18 AM
We do not have any security guards in the school district I work at
Dec 15, 2012 11:18am
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Dec 15, 2012 11:22 AM
Still shocked it was a 20 year old and not a 10-12 year old.

The best way to minimize these happenings?......if every kid had at least 1 parent/guardian worth a shit these things wouldn't happen.
Dec 15, 2012 11:22am
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Dec 15, 2012 11:38 AM
Ironman92;1343652 wrote:Still shocked it was a 20 year old and not a 10-12 year old.

The best way to minimize these happenings?......if every kid had at least 1 parent/guardian worth a shit these things wouldn't happen.
unfortunately its impossible to control that.
Dec 15, 2012 11:38am
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Dec 15, 2012 11:40 AM
Pick6;1343669 wrote:unfortunately its impossible to control that.

Well I bet that is the #1 cause of all shit head happenings.

Let's add a parenting class to every high school curriculum. It won't help...but nothing will.
Dec 15, 2012 11:40am
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Dec 15, 2012 11:45 AM
The kid wasn't necessarily a shit head who just wanted a murdering record. He was obviously clinically unstable and hit a psychotic breaking point. Only medication or serious hospitalization and cognitive behavioral therapy could help anyone in that case. It's really sad. For him and everybody affected by the incident.
Dec 15, 2012 11:45am
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Dec 15, 2012 11:47 AM
Cant find any data on the % of schools who have guards anywhere.
Dec 15, 2012 11:47am
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Dec 15, 2012 11:55 AM
Ironman92;1343652 wrote:if every kid had at least 1 parent/guardian worth a shit these things wouldn't happen.
Columbine disproves that theory instantly.
Dec 15, 2012 11:55am
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Dec 15, 2012 12:48 PM
Pick6;1343624 wrote:Nor did I say they were, that is just my interpretation due to the fact of teachers going on strike for levy's not passing, when there are more important levy's that could be getting passed. Citizens would be more likely to vote to increase the safety of their children than the salary of the teachers.
yeh them dang selfish teachersLike those killed at Newtown
Teacher killed in the Jonesboro massacre
And William Sanders killed at Columbine saving students lives
Dec 15, 2012 12:48pm
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Dec 15, 2012 12:48 PM
Mulva;1343683 wrote:Columbine disproves that theory instantly.
I was just about to post the same thing

We are always looking for excuses as to why this stuff happens. I think we need to realize that some people are just evil.
Dec 15, 2012 12:48pm
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Dec 15, 2012 12:56 PM
Con_Alma;1343616 wrote:It shouldn't require additional revenue to provide saftey services. The amount of funding we provide now per student is significant. What other expense has a greater priority than a proposed safety measure?
Teachers and administrators are overpaid. Cut their salaries by 30% and hire 3 full time policeman to monitor every school. If any teacher is against this, then fire them because their salaries are more important than the life of their students and they want kids to die in school.
Dec 15, 2012 12:56pm
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Dec 15, 2012 12:57 PM
isadore;1343736 wrote:yeh them dang selfish teachersLike those killed at Newtown
Teacher killed in the Jonesboro massacre
And William Sanders killed at Columbine saving students lives
your trolling isnt going to work on me, loser.
Dec 15, 2012 12:57pm
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Dec 15, 2012 12:58 PM
Pick6;1343634 wrote:Like I said, security guards are pretty common in schools now. I figure schools that do not have one are in the minority.
My school had a full time police officer there during school hours. He was armed and always parked his car out front.

Now, if a guy comes in loaded to the teeth with body armor, what the hell is he going to do?
Dec 15, 2012 12:58pm
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Dec 15, 2012 1:00 PM
I think to many people see just one side of the equation to the problem of gun control. I own several guns, hunting is there main purpose. The most shells anyone of them hold is 5. There is the problem, we have handguns and rifles that can be loaded with 12 to 40 rounds or more. Why? Dont ban guns, ban extended clips. Duck hunters and deer hunters magazines can only hold 3, but the guy that wants a semi auto AK-47 can buy a clip that holds 40 rounds.
I'm in this boat. Keep guns, but why do people ever need an AK-47 or anything that can fire off multiple rounds like that?
Dec 15, 2012 1:00pm
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Dec 15, 2012 1:06 PM
sleeper;1343753 wrote:My school had a full time police officer there during school hours. He was armed and always parked his car out front.

Now, if a guy comes in loaded to the teeth with body armor, what the hell is he going to do?
Its possible he will do nothing. Its also possible the officer will save at least one life. If one person is saved, it is worth it to me.

I can make hypothetical situations up too, though. What if it is the Chardon shooter who didnt have any body armor on(most common)? The officer should be able to kill fairly easy.

These situations arent preventable, but should be reduced as much as possible.
Dec 15, 2012 1:06pm
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Dec 15, 2012 1:07 PM
sleeper;1343749 wrote:Teachers and administrators are overpaid. Cut their salaries by 30% and hire 3 full time policeman to monitor every school. If any teacher is against this, then fire them because their salaries are more important than the life of their students and they want kids to die in school.

Lol....what are you going to do with the other $200,000 per school. What a great thread to knock on teachers....good math also.
Dec 15, 2012 1:07pm
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Dec 15, 2012 1:23 PM
I don't get the hate for extended magazines from the left. Do you all realize how quickly someone who has even practiced just 10 minutes can reload? So, you limit magazines to 10 rounds like before, big deal. You can easily carry 2-3 magazines on your person without need for a bag, and reloading is easy. What are you going to do with an armed rent a cop versus some nutjob with a rifle? These things are tragic, but if someone has in their mind to do this you can't stop them. That's just the tragic truth. Even in China, with all their government restrictions and control, stuff like this happens. It's human nature.

I also don't get the call for gun control from this. This kid didn't buy these guns, he didn't go around any laws or anything, he killed his mother and took her weapons. How are you going to stop that? A law abiding citizen who went through all the hoops, the background checks, the waiting periods Nothing you can do.
Dec 15, 2012 1:23pm
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Dec 15, 2012 1:27 PM
redstreak one;1343604 wrote: I think to many people see just one side of the equation to the problem of gun control. I own several guns, hunting is there main purpose. The most shells anyone of them hold is 5. There is the problem, we have handguns and rifles that can be loaded with 12 to 40 rounds or more. Why? Dont ban guns, ban extended clips. Duck hunters and deer hunters magazines can only hold 3, but the guy that wants a semi auto AK-47 can buy a clip that holds 40 rounds.

Dec 15, 2012 1:27pm
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Dec 15, 2012 1:30 PM
Pick6;1343751 wrote:your trolling isnt going to work on me, loser.
gosh as you hate on people who sacrificed their lives to save children
Dec 15, 2012 1:30pm
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Dec 15, 2012 1:34 PM
sleeper;1343749 wrote:Teachers and administrators are overpaid. Cut their salaries by 30% and hire 3 full time policeman to monitor every school. If any teacher is against this, then fire them because their salaries are more important than the life of their students and they want kids to die in school.
gosh a ruddies the teachers and administrators deserve combat pay raises
Dec 15, 2012 1:34pm
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Dec 15, 2012 2:42 PM
isadore;1343800 wrote:gosh a ruddies the teachers and administrators deserve combat pay raises

Lol
Dec 15, 2012 2:42pm