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gut
Posts: 15,058
Dec 16, 2012 3:09pm
Sure, but you disagree there's a difference between legit and some incredibly stupid prank?wildcats20;1344523 wrote:Supposedly they got a call that said "I'm coming to kill"
Whether or not it was real doesn't matter. They HAVE to treat it as real.
wildcats20
Posts: 27,794
Dec 16, 2012 3:10pm
gut;1344527 wrote:Sure, but you disagree there's a difference between legit and some incredibly stupid prank?
Not what I'm saying.
Pick6
Posts: 14,946
Dec 16, 2012 3:15pm
Doesnt matter if its believed to be a prank or not, it still has to be taken seriously. I know bomb threats are taken seriously and they occur every day.gut;1344527 wrote:Sure, but you disagree there's a difference between legit and some incredibly stupid prank?
wildcats20
Posts: 27,794
Dec 16, 2012 3:16pm
Pick6;1344532 wrote:Doesnt matter if its believed to be a prank or not, it still has to be taken seriously. I know bomb threats are taken seriously and they occur every day.
Especially after Friday.
reclegend22
Posts: 8,772
Dec 16, 2012 3:20pm
Ignorant statement.James Gatz;1344486 wrote:True, the silver lining is that at least she's dead.
And you and I have absolutely no clue whether she "gave" her son "easy access" to guns or not. For all we know, he watched her hide the key to a gun safe after she came home from the shooting range one night and then went and got it after he murdered her on Friday morning.
Point being, you know nothing.
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gut
Posts: 15,058
Dec 16, 2012 3:37pm
Yeah, NO SHIT people. Everyone knows it has to be taken seriously, always and not just recently.Pick6;1344532 wrote:Doesnt matter if its believed to be a prank or not, it still has to be taken seriously. I know bomb threats are taken seriously and they occur every day.
But the question still has not been answered - was this a REAL incident or a prank?
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WebFire
Posts: 14,779
Dec 16, 2012 3:42pm
So you know cops that aren't competent, but you think all admins are. Think about what you just typed.ccrunner609;1344566 wrote:Find where I said "teachers". I said an administrator. One person with a conceal and carry. that is all. Admins are supossed to be the smartest most mature adult in the building. All of a sudden they arent competant to carry a weapon? I have friends that are cops around here that I wouldnt trust EVER with a weapon.
Fab1b
Posts: 12,949
Dec 16, 2012 3:55pm
These monsters are America's version of suicide bombers!
Devils Advocate
Posts: 4,539
Dec 16, 2012 4:06pm
Give it up CC.
I do not care if you had Chuck Norris there with a CC permit.
You are not going to do shit to a guy with an assault rifle and body armor.
I do not care if you had Chuck Norris there with a CC permit.
You are not going to do shit to a guy with an assault rifle and body armor.
LJ
Posts: 16,351
Dec 16, 2012 4:15pm
Body armor doesn't stop someone from feeling any pain or going into shock from the impact, it just stops a bullet from penetrating. A few rounds into someone's chest could create enough time to disarm them.Devils Advocate;1344612 wrote:Give it up CC.
I do not care if you had Chuck Norris there with a CC permit.
You are not going to do shit to a guy with an assault rifle and body armor.
I'd like my chances against someone with body armor and a consumer AR15 vs someone with no body armor spraying 00 Buckshot
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James Gatz
Posts: 137
Dec 16, 2012 4:28pm
If she has a child that's displaying psychopathic tendencies(which she herself apparently acknowledged) maybe "hiding" the key to highly dangerous weapons inside their own home wasn't QUITE a drastic enough step :rolleyes:reclegend22;1344543 wrote:For all we know, he watched her hide the key to a gun safe after she came home from the shooting range one night and then went and got it after he murdered her on Friday morning.
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gut
Posts: 15,058
Dec 16, 2012 4:41pm
The problem with arming and training admins is that it's not remotely part of their job description...and, quite honestly, they have more important things to do then preparing for a 1 in 1 million crazy gunman.
I guess I can go along with an armed security guard by the door would have seen this guy coming, and at least slowed him down. And that might have been enough time to get everyone into safer/more secure locations.
I'll buy that. Pretty strong argument. Literally no warning when he was easy to see coming. Some lazy admin just buzzed him in without any sort of check.
I guess I can go along with an armed security guard by the door would have seen this guy coming, and at least slowed him down. And that might have been enough time to get everyone into safer/more secure locations.
I'll buy that. Pretty strong argument. Literally no warning when he was easy to see coming. Some lazy admin just buzzed him in without any sort of check.
Trueblue23
Posts: 7,463
Dec 16, 2012 5:01pm
Headshots will stop body armor.
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WebFire
Posts: 14,779
Dec 16, 2012 5:03pm
So now a requirement to be a school admin is to be big, athletic and able carry and proficiently use a gun? LOLOLccrunner609;1344586 wrote:Hiring practices......people bitch about incompetant admins. Make it a law that admins have to have all this schooling and a CCW. Not hard. Hire people that you need, I think you and others have a hard time grasping this idea cause you are thinking about some 50 year old women with grey hair as your principal. Mine is 6'9" former athlete, hunter with a CCW. Not hard for him to be the first line of defense.
The problem is that there is no line of defense but play hide and seek. That doesnt work today when you have crazy people that are gonna do this anyway they can. YOU NEED A LINE OF DEFENSE. Give me another option
SportsAndLady
Posts: 35,632
Dec 16, 2012 5:40pm
Holy stupid..ccrunner609;1344682 wrote:Why cant it be? I would say right now that the number one job of that administrator in that building on friday was to protect that school.
The problem with all of you grasping my ideas is that I am outside the box right now. I am offering real solutions, do real things and quit talking about it. You guys talking about it with no real solutions is like our president, empty suit with no good ideas to fix anything.
Trueblue23
Posts: 7,463
Dec 16, 2012 5:52pm
That's just dumb.ccrunner609;1344683 wrote:No that was an example of what it could be. I bet there are 20 families in CT that would take my principal over theirs today.
That big ass dude would just be a big ass target. Stupid, stupid post.
Trueblue23
Posts: 7,463
Dec 16, 2012 5:53pm
@CC I am baffled at your stupidity on this topic. So size and strength stops bullets?
Steve McNair was shot and killed by a 110lb woman.
Steve McNair was shot and killed by a 110lb woman.
GoPens
Posts: 2,339
Dec 16, 2012 5:59pm
ccrunner609;1344254 wrote:
If they allowed a teacher to carry, I would.
Did you not say you would carry if you could? Are you not a teacher? Sounds like you would like teachers to carry.ccrunner609;1344566 wrote:Find where I said "teachers". I said an administrator. One person with a conceal and carry. that is all. Admins are supossed to be the smartest most mature adult in the building. All of a sudden they arent competant to carry a weapon? I have friends that are cops around here that I wouldnt trust EVER with a weapon.
Now you say administrators should be required to take gun courses? Stop now before you possibly look any stupider.
SportsAndLady
Posts: 35,632
Dec 16, 2012 5:59pm
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WebFire
Posts: 14,779
Dec 16, 2012 6:11pm
Not overreacting would be good for starters.ccrunner609;1344712 wrote:You offer up what should be done and let everyone judge whether you look stupid. There is going to be a national discourse on this issue and the talking heads will come up with nothing but BS. Putting an armed person in that school would of been the ONLY way of stopping it. Period. Too me thats not stupid.
wildcats20
Posts: 27,794
Dec 16, 2012 6:14pm
ccrunner609;1344712 wrote:You offer up what should be done and let everyone judge whether you look stupid. There is going to be a national discourse on this issue and the talking heads will come up with nothing but BS. Putting an armed person in that school would of been the ONLY way of stopping it. Period. Too me thats not stupid.
No it isn't. Dude could HAVE got in through any door or window he wanted.
How is an armed person who is on the complete opposite side of the school going to attempt to stop someone breaking in across the building?
GoPens
Posts: 2,339
Dec 16, 2012 6:16pm
A group of teenagers overpowers your man with the gun in a surprise attack. They now have a gun that has already been brought into the school. Stupid.
sherm03
Posts: 7,349
Dec 16, 2012 6:34pm
This.GoPens;1344720 wrote:A group of teenagers overpowers your man with the gun in a surprise attack. They now have a gun that has already been brought into the school. Stupid.
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gut
Posts: 15,058
Dec 16, 2012 6:37pm
You're definitely out there.ccrunner609;1344682 wrote: The problem with all of you grasping my ideas is that I am outside the box right now.
I already said, multiple times, your first and most effective defense is to keep the guy from gaining access in the first place. Really the only option. Relying on some admin to stop the guy in a shootout is borderline retarded. Making a 1 in 100,000 event part of the job description is even dumber.
sherm03
Posts: 7,349
Dec 16, 2012 6:56pm
So you're saying that the teachers or administrators with guns should have the same level of training as a police officer to keep that from happening?ccrunner609;1344769 wrote:HAHAHAHHAHHALOLOLLOOLOOL......They do that to police all the time dont they.
That makes perfect sense...