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Nov 18, 2012 10:14 PM
sleeper;1324420 wrote:I didn't realize facts constitute hate. Do I need to bring up ND's BCS bowl record? LOL

I didn't realize this was 2006?
Nov 18, 2012 10:14pm
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Nov 18, 2012 10:16 PM
sleeper;1324423 wrote:No but losing every BCS bowl game you've ever played in by an average of 24.33 points does. LOL

Well, I guess we'll have another game to figure into that average in about 6-7 weeks.
Nov 18, 2012 10:16pm
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Nov 18, 2012 10:17 PM
Fly4Fun;1324424 wrote:I can't find any stat for how many plays each player did individually... couldn't even find an official "total defensive snaps" or anything like that. So I went to each game and added the rush attempts and pass attempts to find total number of offensive snaps for each opposing team. Obviously this won't be accurate as it doesn't account for how many snaps each player actually took... but I don't have that information so I just did the best I could with what I could find.

ND so far has had 706 defensive snap (64.2 per game). OSU has 800 (72.8 per game).

Shazier: Tackle every 7.3 snaps; TFL every 55 snaps; Sack every 200; PD every 80 snaps; etc.. for rest

Te'o: Tackle every 7.2 snaps; TFL every 128; Sack every 470; PD every 176; etc for rest.

Tackling rate is about even, but the difference in potential snaps doesn't really even it out for the other categories.

Thanks it is pretty interesting, I'm not say Shazier is a bad player at all, all I'm saying is manti has had a bigger impact on notre dame than shazier has had with Ohio st.
Nov 18, 2012 10:17pm
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Nov 18, 2012 10:17 PM
killer_ewok;1324427 wrote:Well, I guess we'll have another game to figure into that average in about 6-7 weeks.
0-4. Losing average by 29.34
Nov 18, 2012 10:17pm
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Nov 18, 2012 10:18 PM
sleeper;1324430 wrote:0-4. Losing average by 29.34

Thanks Nostradamus
Nov 18, 2012 10:18pm
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Nov 18, 2012 10:18 PM
sleeper;1324430 wrote:0-4. Losing average by 29.34

I guess we'll have to wait and see....
Nov 18, 2012 10:18pm
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Nov 18, 2012 10:27 PM
killer_ewok;1324432 wrote:I guess we'll have to wait and see....
You really think ND is going to a win a championship? I mean really? It's not going to happen, sorry.
Nov 18, 2012 10:27pm
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Nov 18, 2012 10:35 PM
Crimson streak;1324428 wrote:Thanks it is pretty interesting, I'm not say Shazier is a bad player at all, all I'm saying is manti has had a bigger impact on notre dame than shazier has had with Ohio st.
In what way?
Nov 18, 2012 10:35pm
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Nov 18, 2012 10:56 PM
sleeper;1324435 wrote:You really think ND is going to a win a championship? I mean really? It's not going to happen, sorry.
That wasnt what he said. If the end up in another BCS game they could change those stats as well.
Nov 18, 2012 10:56pm
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Nov 18, 2012 10:59 PM
Notre Dame is a lock for a BCS game. It just depends on which one. BCS Title Game, Fiesta Bowl or Orange Bowl...
Nov 18, 2012 10:59pm
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Nov 18, 2012 11:08 PM
WebFire;1324444 wrote:In what way?
The media told him. Most people are an extension or exaggeration of the media, not what they see.
Nov 18, 2012 11:08pm
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Nov 19, 2012 3:49 AM
gotta think manziel takes it down
Nov 19, 2012 3:49am
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Nov 19, 2012 7:21 AM
WebFire;1324444 wrote:In what way?

If you can't see the impact te'o has had on ND's defense I dk what to tell ya. He always comes up with huge plays.
Nov 19, 2012 7:21am
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Nov 19, 2012 7:39 AM
Crimson streak;1324588 wrote:If you can't see the impact te'o has had on ND's defense I dk what to tell ya. He always comes up with huge plays.

And Shazier doesn't do anything like punch the ball out of the arms of a guy with 900 carries and 2 career fumbles, on the goaline or anything.
Nov 19, 2012 7:39am
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Nov 19, 2012 8:07 AM
killer_ewok;1324398 wrote:That 85th ranked offense just beat Oregon in Eugene.
Let's be honest, it wasn't the offense that won that game. It was the defense. Oregon has shown time and time again that it can be shut down by good defense.

Also (to be fair) I think ND would shut down Oregon in the same manner.
Nov 19, 2012 8:07am
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Nov 19, 2012 8:13 AM
If Buckeyes can Close the Deal...which they will...Braxton is invited to NYC and ends up as runner-up to Calvin Klein. Man-zier is third and Mai Tai Warrior finishes 4th.
Nov 19, 2012 8:13am
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Nov 19, 2012 8:54 AM
Crimson streak;1324588 wrote:If you can't see the impact te'o has had on ND's defense I dk what to tell ya. He always comes up with huge plays.
So Te'o is the only defensive player that makes plays and has an impact on this team?
Nov 19, 2012 8:54am
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Nov 19, 2012 8:58 AM
Crimson streak;1324588 wrote:If you can't see the impact te'o has had on ND's defense I dk what to tell ya. He always comes up with huge plays.

Shazier has 65 more negative yards and 7 more points than te'o, yet te'o means more?
Nov 19, 2012 8:58am
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Nov 19, 2012 9:03 AM
LJ;1324636 wrote:Shazier has 65 more negative yards and 7 more points than te'o, yet te'o means more?
And like I said earlier, Te'o isn't even in the top 50 in tackles and TFLs, yet Shazier is. Hmmm.

Wait, I'm defending a Buckeye. Damn it! ;)
Nov 19, 2012 9:03am
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Nov 19, 2012 9:07 AM
LJ;1324636 wrote:Shazier has 65 more negative yards and 7 more points than te'o, yet te'o means more?

Shazier is the best player on an average defense. Congrats.
Nov 19, 2012 9:07am
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Nov 19, 2012 9:09 AM
WebFire;1324641 wrote:And like I said earlier, Te'o isn't even in the top 50 in tackles and TFLs, yet Shazier is. Hmmm.

Wait, I'm defending a Buckeye. Damn it! ;)

Shazier also has way more pbu's, 3 more ff's.
Nov 19, 2012 9:09am
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Nov 19, 2012 9:09 AM
WebFire;1324641 wrote:And like I said earlier, Te'o isn't even in the top 50 in tackles and TFLs, yet Shazier is. Hmmm.

Wait, I'm defending a Buckeye. Damn it! ;)

Impressive. Te'o has accounted for 8 turnovers and forced at least two others by pressuring QBs into bad throws. Hmmmm.
Nov 19, 2012 9:09am
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Nov 19, 2012 9:11 AM
karen lotz;1324644 wrote:Shazier is the best player on an average defense. Congrats.

So not only is he better than te'o, but you are saying he has more impact on his team? I thought that is what made te'o the heisman candidate?
Nov 19, 2012 9:11am
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Nov 19, 2012 9:13 AM
For the record, Shazier isn't a Heisman contender either. Purely using him as a comparison.
Nov 19, 2012 9:13am
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Nov 19, 2012 9:14 AM
karen lotz;1324647 wrote:Impressive. Te'o has accounted for 8 turnovers and forced at least two others by pressuring QBs into bad throws. Hmmmm.
So he is better than Shazier in 1 category. Impressive.
Nov 19, 2012 9:14am