HitsRus;1457898 wrote:He stocks his advisors and department heads with yes men/women whose main qualification is to be willing to do whatever is asked of them and to be able to deflect the blame away from their boss.

I don't think that even if that 'bombshell' exploded, it wouldn't matter. Quaker has illustrated that what is/has been going on by Watergate standards....and the people are asleep or a sheep.

Just the opposite.

In Watergate, 69 government officials, Nixon Campaign Staff, etc. were charged with crimes and 48 were convicted including two Attorneys General, Nixon's personal lawyer, the head of his re-election campaign, etc.

The idea that any such comparable criminality occurred with the IRS organizing 501(c)(4)'s by conservative buzz words, relying on CIA Intelligence when reporting on Benghazi, following the Patriot Act with the consent of Congress and the FISA Court...for whatever problems these events reveal...is patently absurd at this point. Flat out.

No one is being charged with crimes over these incidents.

But that is the difference. For the QuakerOats' of the world, Obama is a fraudulent and incompetent and coniving knave who hates America. Benghazi, the IRS, etc. are just proof of this already determined fact.

BoatShoes;1457989 wrote:..your entirely ungrounded suspicion that Obama campaign officials had any kind of access to the NSA meta-data is a claim worthyof Freeper land...where you typically don't venture into.

LMAO, you are completely lacking of any objectivity. To say the Obama campaign didn't or wouldn't have access to at least parts of the NSA metadata is COMPLETELY naive. You're placing a lot of faith in this administration that they have not remotely demonstrated they deserve.

There's also a very interesting, if not alarming, relationship with Eric Schmidt and Google. A lot of this metadata could be obtained legally, and a host of other questions have to be asked about whether knowledge of a secret program was applied in a "legal" manner to replicate it.

Makes me wonder what was discussed in some of those tech meetings Obama had with Schmidt, Jobs, Zuckerberg and others...coincidentally CEO's of many companies "cooperating" with the NSA PRISM program.

BoatShoes;1457993 wrote:Just the opposite.

In Watergate, 69 government officials, Nixon Campaign Staff, etc. were charged with crimes and 48 were convicted including two Attorneys General, Nixon's personal lawyer, the head of his re-election campaign, etc.

The idea that any such comparable criminality occurred with the IRS organizing 501(c)(4)'s by conservative buzz words, relying on CIA Intelligence when reporting on Benghazi, following the Patriot Act with the consent of Congress and the FISA Court...for whatever problems these events reveal...is patently absurd at this point. Flat out.

No one is being charged with crimes over these incidents.

But that is the difference. For the QuakerOats' of the world, Obama is a fraudulent and incompetent and coniving knave who hates America. Benghazi, the IRS, etc. are just proof of this already determined fact.

The government has broken into the property of, and taken information from, a CBS news reporter; that is a felony; they just haven't been charged yet. Oh yeah, Eric Holder would have to charge himself, I forgot.


The government has used its force, via IRS, to cripple the opposition, which is tryanny. Is tyranny a crime in the United States?

Get in the game!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Br_sGQICz8Y


Simply stunning.

The Left has now politicized yet another government agency, all for the sole purpose of forcing their transformative agenda upon The People, and power.

Change we can believe in ...

In my business, if the boss didn't know who was assigned to work on a large project, didn't know how many people were assigned to it and knew absolutely nothing about it after a month, they'd be fired. On the spot. Mueller is just a tool, and a very dull one at that.

^^ It's as if everyone in this administration came from a leftist community organizing background; they don't know anything about anything that truly matters; they just know whining and blaming.

And 65 million complete morons voted for it, again .....

They are just stonewalling, undoubtedly to buy time for the administration to destroy evidence and cover tracks.

Those statements are absolutely incredulous. It goes way beyond incompetence - it HAS to be something else. At best, he has deliberately removed himself from the loop and/or deferred briefings for the explicit purpose of being able to go before Congress and, under oath, claim not to know anything.

This is worse than a simple lack of transparency. Like Benghazi, this is a deliberate attempt at subterfuge and obfuscation. Simply put, the administration got caught, and even though it is likely two or three levels below the POTUS they are buying time to come up with a narrative.

I also have a theory with Obama regarding all these scandals...He will take advantage of these powers [and "omissions"] while it serves his political purposes. Near the end of his term, he will gut all these policies and ride off into the sunset as having "fixed the problem".

Maybe that would be better than nothing, but I think he wants to have his cake and eat it, too.

If it was W's FBI director, and an IRS that had been targeting liberal groups, can you imagine the left-stream media allowing the guy to get away with the answers that this clown just provided congress? They would have peppered him out of office in 3 days, then gone after the POTUS.

And then there's this gem: saying these "programs" have stopped 50 terrorist plots since 9/11.

Well, I'd like to know how many, specifically, have been stopped pre- vs. post- PRISM and the other recent programs established after 2007 or so.

I also have my doubts that the most serious threats from the more sophisticated terrorist groups are going to be caught by this. My suspicion would be these programs catch the "dumb" terrorists that probably can be foiled by other means.

http://dailycaller.com/2013/06/18/the-largest-tea-party-protest-since-2010-is-tomorrow/#ixzz2Waezq1K6


Do not expect to see this massive IRS protest reported by the left-stream media tomorrow.

http://dailycaller.com/2013/06/18/the-largest-tea-party-protest-since-2010-is-tomorrow/#ixzz2Waezq1K6


Do not expect to see this massive IRS protest reported by the left-stream media tomorrow.

gut;1459432 wrote:And then there's this gem: saying these "programs" have stopped 50 terrorist plots since 9/11.

Well, I'd like to know how many, specifically, have been stopped pre- vs. post- PRISM and the other recent programs established after 2007 or so.

I also have my doubts that the most serious threats from the more sophisticated terrorist groups are going to be caught by this. My suspicion would be these programs catch the "dumb" terrorists that probably can be foiled by other means.

Them reporting how many instances it has stopped also does something more interesting. Although they maintain what they have done is legal and they don't spy on American citizens communications without the proper legal requirements of warrants, etc, if they were in fact violating our privacy by doing what they say they aren't, do the ends justify the means? Reporting what they have stopped seems to suggest that line of thinking. Well we stopped subway bombings and attacks on the stock exchanges, so it's okay that we may have violated the constitutional rights of citizens.

Are we as a country willing to give up certain protections to hopefully prevent terrorism? Or would you rather there be some unfortunate acts and make sure the government follows the proper boundaries?

For normal criminal activity, it's an easy answer (no), as normal criminal activity doesn't harm as many people directly nor does it impact the countries psyche as a whole nearly as much as terrorist acts.

QuakerOats;1459435 wrote:http://dailycaller.com/2013/06/18/the-largest-tea-party-protest-since-2010-is-tomorrow/#ixzz2Waezq1K6


Do not expect to see this massive IRS protest reported by the left-stream media tomorrow.

While normally a huge story any other time, I think it pales in comparison to the NSA debacle so it probably won't receive as much coverage.

Obie's attendance in Berlin today seems a little bit off.

http://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs/berlin-speech-200000-obama-2008-only-6000-today_736767.html

Now he is slamming Catholics and Catholic education: http://www.bizpacreview.com/2013/06/19/obama-offends-catholics-in-the-uk-says-religious-schools-are-divisive-78053


When will the masses open their eyes and see what is actually happening. Unbelievable.


GFY barry.

QuakerOats;1460226 wrote:Now he is slamming Catholics and Catholic education: http://www.bizpacreview.com/2013/06/19/obama-offends-catholics-in-the-uk-says-religious-schools-are-divisive-78053


When will the masses open their eyes and see what is actually happening. Unbelievable.


GFY barry.

He is a radical leftist and as radical a radical leftist he wants to completely control everything you do i.e. Where you can send your kids to school; What foods you can eat; What kind of cars you can drive (or better yet what kind of public transportation you have to use rather than drive a car); What kind of light bulbs you can use; What you have to keep your thermostat set to; etc...

Oh Crap! the NSA has this post. Oh Crap again! the IRS is going to be after me.

QuakerOats;1460226 wrote:Now he is slamming Catholics and Catholic education: http://www.bizpacreview.com/2013/06/19/obama-offends-catholics-in-the-uk-says-religious-schools-are-divisive-78053


When will the masses open their eyes and see what is actually happening. Unbelievable.


GFY barry.

I'm generally opposed to religion when people try to use it for a justification for war, or pushing beliefs (values, morals) on others.

But to say Catholic education is divisive is wrong.

I'm not Catholic, but I went to a Catholic high school. It blew the public school system that I would have gone to out of the water, and I would have gone to what is considered to be one of the better ones in the state. And I can make that comparison since I took classes at the public high school while still in 8th grade.

The Catholic high school wasn't unwelcoming of anyone. It was purely a testing situation to get in. If you're family couldn't afford it, then they had programs for financial assistance (wasn't overly expensive either like non-Catholic private schools). I had friends there who were Jewish, I knew there were a few kids were Muslim. There were kids that were atheists too. We had to go to a service once a month, but you weren't forced to participate, you just had to sit quietly and respectfully.

The school itself was great because the teachers were no non-sense when stuff needed to get done, but the teachers and administration also understood we were teenagers who made mistakes from time to time and didn't have policies that were zero tolerance.

I didn't hear the context of his comment, I'm not sure if he was speaking directly about some conflict with protestant and catholic schools in the UK. But if he was speaking generally about Catholic schools including the US, then he's wrong.

The Catholic comment is a mountain out of a molehill - he's not trying to offend anyone. I get what he was trying to say, but it is Obama just being Obama. The reality is he's a very poor speaker off the cuff and even though our mainstream media downplayed his inexperience, this isn't anything new. This is the same person that actually made the comment "punished with a baby" when talking about abortion rights. Even hardcore pro-choice advocates had to do the Picard face palm with that.

Obama isn't polished like, say, Bill Clinton.

Manhattan Buckeye;1460474 wrote: Obama isn't polished like, say, Bill Clinton.

Or even Bush, for that matter.

W had his share of faux paus, but difference was he didn't get tongue-tied on word smithing or how he was perceived. Obama doesn't lead or govern, so it's critical to project an IMAGE of leadership. I'm not even sure if he's all that informed much of the time. The combination of the two means he's literally speechless when the teleprompter is on the fritz - he doesn't have anything to say and he's too afraid of saying it wrong, anyway.

"so it's critical to project an IMAGE of leadership."

Agree with that. Again, I don't think Obama was trying to offend Catholics or protestants for that matter, it was just a very weird statement that to your point Bush would be ridiculed for. Certainly Obama wouldn't say anything negative about traditionally Black colleges like Howard or Morehouse being divisive, so he shouldn't have said that about schools in Northern Ireland.

Yeah, I get what Obama was trying to say...but it's very typical of him to divide by accusing others of being divisive. No matter how far he's "elevated", he just can't rise above his roots as a community agitator.

http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2013/06/20/Obama-catholic-AMericans-religious-freedom


BINGO

Spy agency can snoop without warrant...
... Keep data collected 'inadvertently'
Lawyers eye for evidence in murder, divorce cases...
CLAIM: Top judges, generals, politicians wiretapped...
Judge's one-paragraph order governs mass collection...
REPORT: SKYPE helped gov't access customer data...
McConnell: Attack on free speech...
Govt to map your 'every move'...

SECRET NSA POWERS WIDER THAN THOUGHT

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2013/06/21/top-aide-to-former-irs-chief-reportedly-logged-hundreds-white-house-visits/


... so between the head of the IRS and the Chief of Staff of the IRS, we are looking at about 500 visits to the WH. Ahhhh, but the regime knows nothing about the targeting of liberty-loving Americans.


The Tyranny Tour rolls on .....