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2 yr old mauled to death by african dogs at Pittsburgh Zoo

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Nov 5, 2012 11:24 PM
See, my instinct would be to jump in to save the kid.

Moral of the story...don't hang-out next to dumb parents at the zoo.
Nov 5, 2012 11:24pm
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Nov 5, 2012 11:46 PM
gut;1313723 wrote:See, my instinct would be to jump in to save the kid.

Moral of the story...don't hang-out next to dumb parents at the zoo.
You would be ripped apart within 15 seconds of hitting the floor. Your instincts tell you that is what you're going to do?
Nov 5, 2012 11:46pm
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gut

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Nov 5, 2012 11:50 PM
SportsAndLady;1313733 wrote:You would be ripped apart within 15 seconds of hitting the floor. Your instincts tell you that is what you're going to do?
I think your instincts are that for whatever reason the animals will back away. Probably not good instincts, but I don't think any of us have our instincts honed in the wild. Most heroes (or wannabes) aren't trying to be a hero, they are just reacting.

And I think it does happen, especially with animals in captivity dealing with handlers where they might back off with a full-size adult in there. Depends on what is provoking the attack.
Nov 5, 2012 11:50pm
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Nov 6, 2012 12:10 AM
vball10set;1313440 wrote:With all due respect, you're not a parent--you'd be amazed at what a parent would/could do to save their child.
Or, obviously, what they wouldn't (according to the article).
Nov 6, 2012 12:10am
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Nov 6, 2012 12:17 AM
This is why I bring a stun gun to a zoo
Nov 6, 2012 12:17am
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Nov 6, 2012 2:23 AM
McFly1955;1313678 wrote:I agree. I have a 2 year old daughter and 2 month old daughter and I'd jump in and almost hit the ground before my daughter in this situation -- there wouldn't even be a thought...Might get torn apart myself, but I'd be in there.

This is the smartest response - the only caveat being that if the railing was high this woman might not have the ability to just jump over it. Twice in the last year some neglectful parent let a toddler jump into our pool (not deep, maybe 4 feet but enough to drown a toddler) and instinctively I pulled the kid out, the first time I jumped in clothed, and these weren't even my kids.
Nov 6, 2012 2:23am
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Gblock

Nov 6, 2012 7:48 AM
these are hardly lions...40 pound dogs...while i agree this would be very dangerous as in a pack they could kill you, i would be in the cage before or immediately after my kid hit the ground. most wild animals dont attack males anyway mostly children and small women
Nov 6, 2012 7:48am
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Nov 6, 2012 8:01 AM
Manhattan Buckeye;1313771 wrote:This is the smartest response - the only caveat being that if the railing was high this woman might not have the ability to just jump over it. Twice in the last year some neglectful parent let a toddler jump into our pool (not deep, maybe 4 feet but enough to drown a toddler) and instinctively I pulled the kid out, the first time I jumped in clothed, and these weren't even my kids.
Are you really equating jumping in a cage of feral carnivorous animals to jumping in a pool? This might be a fair comparison if you regularly house alligators or crocodiles in your pool.

Also, do you not having some kind of fence around your yard or were these guests you were entertaining?
Nov 6, 2012 8:01am
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Nov 6, 2012 8:29 AM
Gblock;1313800 wrote:most wild animals dont attack males anyway mostly children and small women
Do you have any sort of link to back this claim up?

I just don't believe that if I jumped in the pit, they'd be scared and back off; but if a child jumped, they'd immediately rip his limbs off.
Nov 6, 2012 8:29am
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Nov 6, 2012 8:30 AM
tk421;1313705 wrote:I think you're seriously overestimating parental instincts. If this woman had any instincts at all, she wouldn't have killed her kid. I have a feeling that most parents that care enough about their kids to jump in after them wouldn't have had their kid fall in in the first place.
Your mixing instincts with intelligence. ;)
Nov 6, 2012 8:30am
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Nov 6, 2012 8:31 AM
SportsAndLady;1313733 wrote:You would be ripped apart within 15 seconds of hitting the floor. Your instincts tell you that is what you're going to do?
Instincts are instincts for a reason. It overrides a lot of rational thinking. Makes you react instead of waiting.
Nov 6, 2012 8:31am
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Nov 6, 2012 8:40 AM
The bottom line is that even though many of us believe we would jump right in, unless the situation actually presented itself, we don't really know. However, the one thing I do know is that most of us on here wouldn't put our children in that situation in the first place. JMO.
Nov 6, 2012 8:40am
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Nov 6, 2012 8:42 AM
vball10set;1313831 wrote:The bottom line is that even though many of us believe we would jump right in, unless the situation actually presented itself, we don't really know. However, the one thing I do know is that most of us on here wouldn't put our children in that situation in the first place. JMO.
Agree.
Nov 6, 2012 8:42am
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Nov 6, 2012 8:50 AM
The tragedy here is the zoo is closed and not generating revenue while still feeding animals and paying staff.

A baby gets dropped into a pen and becomes dog chow....sad, but not the zoos fault.

Friggin' Shamu has killed 3 or 4 people over the years and Sea World never closes for a day.

I guess it's okay to close if the taxpayers are footing the bill.


tragedy for all parties here....the babys family, the baby, the zoo and the taxpayers.
Nov 6, 2012 8:50am
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Gblock

Nov 6, 2012 8:50 AM
http://www.stylemagazine.com/leopard-suspected-of-eating-15-people-in-nepal/

http://www.essortment.com/mountain-lion-attack-61645.html

Never run away from a mountian lion.Running stimulates a mountain lions natural instinct to chase. Be sure to always make contact with the lion and stand up as tall as possible. By making yourself look larger it intimidates the lion and often makes them turn and run. Open your jacket and flap it about, yell, throw stones but make sure you react so that the cat knows that you are the one in control, not him. If there are children present, pick them up immediately and never turn your back on a lion, or squat down while retrieving the child.
Nov 6, 2012 8:50am
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Nov 6, 2012 8:53 AM
Gblock;1313840 wrote:http://www.stylemagazine.com/leopard-suspected-of-eating-15-people-in-nepal/

http://www.essortment.com/mountain-lion-attack-61645.html

Never run away from a mountian lion.Running stimulates a mountain lions natural instinct to chase. Be sure to always make contact with the lion and stand up as tall as possible. By making yourself look larger it intimidates the lion and often makes them turn and run. Open your jacket and flap it about, yell, throw stones but make sure you react so that the cat knows that you are the one in control, not him. If there are children present, pick them up immediately and never turn your back on a lion, or squat down while retrieving the child.
First link they don't even know 100% what killed those people lol

Second link is just giving me directions to escape a mountain lion.

I fail to see where if I jumped into the pit instead of that kid, I'd be playing COD right now and not dog food.
Nov 6, 2012 8:53am
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Nov 6, 2012 8:56 AM
Fly4Fun;1313810 wrote:Are you really equating jumping in a cage of feral carnivorous animals to jumping in a pool? This might be a fair comparison if you regularly house alligators or crocodiles in your pool.

Also, do you not having some kind of fence around your yard or were these guests you were entertaining?
And lol.

Bottom line, whether anyone here would actually jump into a den of lions or not (lulz), unless you are carrying a Tech-9 in your diaper bag, absolutely none of us would win an argument with a jungle cat.
Nov 6, 2012 8:56am
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Gblock

Nov 6, 2012 8:57 AM
the first article shows that whatever animal it was clearly goes after smaller targets children and women.

the second article was more to my point that the taller larger you appear the less likely you are to be attacked. this to me is pretty much accepted as true.. if you jumped down in there it is possible many of the dogs may have been scared away. certainly they would not attack you the way they would a wounded baby. either way these are 40 pound dogs you should be able to last a while.
Nov 6, 2012 8:57am
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Nov 6, 2012 9:09 AM
Sonofanump;1313454 wrote:I would to save my daughter. Easy decision. But I would not be putting her up above where she suppose to be and potentially fall.
Same here. I'd jump in and start busting shit up.
Nov 6, 2012 9:09am
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Nov 6, 2012 9:16 AM
"Are you really equating jumping in a cage of feral carnivorous animals to jumping in a pool? This might be a fair comparison if you regularly house alligators or crocodiles in your pool."

No my friend, it was more about instinct. But to your incorrect point, the point you attribute me to is more analogous than a previous post on this thread that compared it to jumping out of a plane (unless that person is Keanu Reeves from Point Break). It was to second the notion that heroes act on "instinct", not out of thought in most cases. These were dangerous animals, no doubt. But they aren't lions, and it isn't as if the kid is falling into oblivion.
Nov 6, 2012 9:16am
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Gblock

Nov 6, 2012 9:18 AM
i agree my postion may not be the same if we were talking about lions or tigers...that would have to be on a case by case basis
Nov 6, 2012 9:18am
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Nov 6, 2012 9:21 AM
"Also, do you not having some kind of fence around your yard or were these guests you were entertaining?"

Good God Fly, I freaking live in a 125 unit complex in Singapore. It wasn't my kid in either case (the first was Scottish I'm very sure, the second could have been Australian or British) and it wasn't my pool - just happened to be there, at any rate they let their toddlers jump into the pool. Poor parenting in both situations.
Nov 6, 2012 9:21am
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Nov 6, 2012 10:06 AM
Having a 2 year old, this story has really bothered me since I heard it...and also because I work in Pittsburgh.
Nov 6, 2012 10:06am
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Nov 6, 2012 10:07 AM
Closed casket?
Nov 6, 2012 10:07am
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Nov 6, 2012 10:12 AM
reclegend22;1313900 wrote:Closed casket?
Pathetic.
Nov 6, 2012 10:12am