reclegend22
Posts: 8,772
Mar 9, 2013 12:50pm
Duke is 17-0 with Ryan Kelly, including 4-0 against the AP Top 5, 6-0 against the RPI Top 40, and has wins against Louisville, Ohio State, Minnesota, VCU, Temple and Miami (all NCAA teams).sleeper;1403079 wrote:And football school Miami pounded Duke in the butthole by 30 points. Your point?
My point is that you have no clue what you are talking about.
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vball10set
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Mar 9, 2013 1:30pm
'nuff said :thumbup:Midstate01;1403078 wrote:You act like you're new to the Site and have never read a post by sleeper.
Azubuike24
Posts: 15,933
Mar 9, 2013 2:08pm
Lets be real, if not for Minnesota's win over IU last week, they would be tumbling and tumbling fast. They are more experienced their they have played this year.
Fly4Fun
Posts: 7,730
Mar 9, 2013 2:14pm
And if Kentucky just didn't beat Florida they wouldn't be in the tourny?Azubuike24;1403127 wrote:Lets be real, if not for Minnesota's win over IU last week, they would be tumbling and tumbling fast. They are more experienced their they have played this year.
It's easy to discredit a team if you take away their big wins...
Azubuike24
Posts: 15,933
Mar 9, 2013 2:17pm
This has what to do with Kentucky? UK is average. Without Noel, even more average. It should be completely changed next year as they assemble the most talented team ever. All the pressure will be back on them.
That was a huge win over IU, and my point was, it really deflected the attention away from what has been a pathetic stretch the 2nd half of the season. They have STILL lose 10 of 15 games...
That was a huge win over IU, and my point was, it really deflected the attention away from what has been a pathetic stretch the 2nd half of the season. They have STILL lose 10 of 15 games...
Azubuike24
Posts: 15,933
Mar 9, 2013 2:19pm
Oh, and I'm wondering how that is possible because Tubby Smith is an amazing motivator and X's and O's coach who struggles to recruit, but when he has veteran talent, he always gets the most out of them.
Nothing could be further from the truth this year...he's got more experience than anyone in the conference and still a pretty high talent level. They are limping into March though...
Nothing could be further from the truth this year...he's got more experience than anyone in the conference and still a pretty high talent level. They are limping into March though...
Fly4Fun
Posts: 7,730
Mar 9, 2013 2:22pm
I'm just making a comparison... it's what done when looking at "bubble" teams in college basketball.Azubuike24;1403129 wrote:This has what to do with Kentucky? UK is average. Without Noel, even more average. It should be completely changed next year as they assemble the most talented team ever. All the pressure will be back on them.
That was a huge win over IU, and my point was, it really deflected the attention away from what has been a pathetic stretch the 2nd half of the season. They have STILL lose 10 of 15 games...
Ya, Minnesota hasn't had some rough streaks. But they also have some quality wins, a good SoS, a great RPI, and they play in an extremely tough conference.
I was merely pointing out that you eliminating a teams recent great win can completely change how a team is viewed no matter the team.
I did the exact same thing with Kentucky that you did with Minnesota.
Azubuike24
Posts: 15,933
Mar 9, 2013 2:25pm
We're on the same page. And because of the B1G, Minnesota is in no danger of making the dance. Still, they have been a major, major disappointment yet you will NEVER hear about it. Maybe I'm a bit salty too, because Tubby has been avoiding due criticism for a decade now.
Maybe they will rise up in the NCAA's. I don't see it though. Offensively, they are a complete train wreck. I'm not sure how Minny basketball fans can tolerate it.
Maybe they will rise up in the NCAA's. I don't see it though. Offensively, they are a complete train wreck. I'm not sure how Minny basketball fans can tolerate it.
Fly4Fun
Posts: 7,730
Mar 9, 2013 2:29pm
I figured there was probably some animosity towards Tubby, but I didn't want to bring it up as it was unnecessary. But ya, I don't think anyone is giving Tubby a pass, even our resident Minnesota fan (gorocks) even is calling for Tubby's head no matter the result this season (well assuming they don't make a deep run in the tourny I'm sure).Azubuike24;1403133 wrote:We're on the same page. And because of the B1G, Minnesota is in no danger of making the dance. Still, they have been a major, major disappointment yet you will NEVER hear about it. Maybe I'm a bit salty too, because Tubby has been avoiding due criticism for a decade now.
Maybe they will rise up in the NCAA's. I don't see it though. Offensively, they are a complete train wreck. I'm not sure how Minny basketball fans can tolerate it.
reclegend22
Posts: 8,772
Mar 9, 2013 2:30pm
I'm not necessarily disagreeing with you, because I have no idea how good UK will be next year, but I think we should wait before throwing phrases like "most talented team ever." I mean, it's your opinion, so as I said, I can't really argue it I guess. But more talented than Vegas in '91? Kentucky in '96 or '12? Duke in '99 or '01? North Carolina in '05? Perhaps we should wait and see if the talent is as good as advertised. That's all I am saying.Azubuike24;1403129 wrote:This has what to do with Kentucky? UK is average. Without Noel, even more average. It should be completely changed next year as they assemble the most talented team ever. All the pressure will be back on them.
That was a huge win over IU, and my point was, it really deflected the attention away from what has been a pathetic stretch the 2nd half of the season. They have STILL lose 10 of 15 games...
If this year's Kentucky team has taught us anything, it's that the one-and-done method isn't always a surefire thing. Talent doesn't always pan out. It might, though, too. But it's certainly not a certainty.
Azubuike24
Posts: 15,933
Mar 9, 2013 2:41pm
Strictly in-terms of HS accolades. Not actually on the floor.
Yes, I agree, I don't see a team ever topping what UK did in 96, going 38-2, also beating the 2 teams who beat them, winning games by an average of 23 PPG that year and having 9 guys who played in the NBA.
Last year's team was really good, and still they fall short in-comparison to the 1996 team in the eyes of most UK fans.
I'll preface it by saying I'm making gaudy assumptions that some of the 4 (Poythress, Goodwin, Noel, Cauley-Stein) return and the Cats get either Randle or Wiggins. If none of those happen, my words can be forgotten.
Yes, I agree, I don't see a team ever topping what UK did in 96, going 38-2, also beating the 2 teams who beat them, winning games by an average of 23 PPG that year and having 9 guys who played in the NBA.
Last year's team was really good, and still they fall short in-comparison to the 1996 team in the eyes of most UK fans.
I'll preface it by saying I'm making gaudy assumptions that some of the 4 (Poythress, Goodwin, Noel, Cauley-Stein) return and the Cats get either Randle or Wiggins. If none of those happen, my words can be forgotten.
Azubuike24
Posts: 15,933
Mar 9, 2013 2:42pm
We'll see. It wouldn't surprise me if the B1G disappointed a bit and Minnesota actually comes from nowhere and wins a few games. I haven't been able to get a good read on a Tubby team since 2005...Fly4Fun;1403137 wrote:I figured there was probably some animosity towards Tubby, but I didn't want to bring it up as it was unnecessary. But ya, I don't think anyone is giving Tubby a pass, even our resident Minnesota fan (gorocks) even is calling for Tubby's head no matter the result this season (well assuming they don't make a deep run in the tourny I'm sure).
reclegend22
Posts: 8,772
Mar 9, 2013 2:49pm
Got ya.Azubuike24;1403145 wrote:Strictly in-terms of HS accolades. Not actually on the floor.
Yes, I agree, I don't see a team ever topping what UK did in 96, going 38-2, also beating the 2 teams who beat them, winning games by an average of 23 PPG that year and having 9 guys who played in the NBA.
Last year's team was really good, and still they fall short in-comparison to the 1996 team in the eyes of most UK fans.
I'll preface it by saying I'm making gaudy assumptions that some of the 4 (Poythress, Goodwin, Noel, Cauley-Stein) return and the Cats get either Randle or Wiggins. If none of those happen, my words can be forgotten.
Ironman92
Posts: 49,363
Mar 10, 2013 1:24pm
If Illinois goes on to lose this game and loses the first game in the conference tournament......could they slip out of the tournament?
reclegend22
Posts: 8,772
Mar 10, 2013 1:32pm
Finishing the season with a 10-11 record certainly wouldn't do them any favors, but Illinois also has the 10th strongest strength of schedule in the country with wins over Gonzaga, Butler, Ohio State and Indiana. So they have that going for them, but, as you kind of point out, most of that success came months ago. In the what-have-you-done-for-me-lately world we live in, they could potentially be on the outing looking in if they got beaten badly enough in that first Big Ten Tournament game.Ironman92;1403432 wrote:If Illinois goes on to lose this game and loses the first game in the conference tournament......could they slip out of the tournament?
With the rather lackluster tournament field we have this year in terms of bubbles, I think the Illini's 5-4 record against the RPI Top 25 will be enough.
Mulva
Posts: 13,650
Mar 10, 2013 1:57pm
Traevon Jackson with a buzzer beating 3 for Wisconsin.
sleeper
Posts: 27,879
Mar 10, 2013 2:08pm
My point is, Duke only wins because they get every call. Your coach is a fraud and is still bitching about the ass stuffing football school Miami gave to Duke. How can Duke be the best team in the country when they aren't even the best team in their own conference? LOLreclegend22;1403084 wrote:Duke is 17-0 with Ryan Kelly, including 4-0 against the AP Top 5, 6-0 against the RPI Top 40, and has wins against Louisville, Ohio State, Minnesota, VCU, Temple and Miami (all NCAA teams).
My point is that you have no clue what you are talking about.
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WebFire
Posts: 14,779
Mar 10, 2013 4:15pm
A Michigan crowd actually showed up for a game!
Tiger2003
Posts: 15,421
Mar 10, 2013 4:21pm
Lets go Michigan!!
ohiobucks1
Posts: 4,915
Mar 10, 2013 4:22pm
BooIU
reclegend22
Posts: 8,772
Mar 10, 2013 4:39pm
If Clark Kellogg refers to the basketball as a pumpkin one more time I am going to experience hearing loss. A pumpkin is a fruit from the gourde family, you ass----.
Tiger2003
Posts: 15,421
Mar 10, 2013 5:36pm
IU hitting everything now.
Mulva
Posts: 13,650
Mar 10, 2013 5:49pm
I am incredibly irritated by the way Jim Nantz says Oladipo.
Ironman92
Posts: 49,363
Mar 10, 2013 5:51pm
Screw Michigan standing and watching on the airball.
Ironman92
Posts: 49,363
Mar 10, 2013 5:55pm
I think Indiana is about 2-4 when I watch.