Midstate01;1422299 wrote:Lol

Nobody compares to bama's success in football.

Long-term, there is less of a comparison.

However, look at the last 20 years or so and it's rather scary how similar it is. From on-field/court results, to outside perception, fan expectations, the hiring of their most recent coach, the years prior to making that move and since it has happened (see above). The only difference is Saban has won 2 titles.

The parallels are pretty similar though, and that's not just coming from UK or Bama's fans. I've seen the two thrown around in-comparisons a lot.

Danny Hurley turns down Rutgers to stay at Rhode Island...ouch

http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/9161967/danny-hurley-turns-rutgers-offer-sign-extension-rhode-island-according-source

Could have gone from Wagner, to Rhodes Island, to the Big Ten in 3 years.

SportsAndLady;1423889 wrote:Danny Hurley turns down Rutgers to stay at Rhode Island...ouch

http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/9161967/danny-hurley-turns-rutgers-offer-sign-extension-rhode-island-according-source

Could have gone from Wagner, to Rhodes Island, to the Big Ten in 3 years.

This seemed like the most logical hire for Rutgers when that job opened -- Hurley is a star in the making -- but, as you said ealier in this thread, it's a terrible job. He made a good move. No way Rutgers will ever credibly compete in the Big Ten. He'll have a better chance at building a program at Rhode Island, which had some success in the '90s under Jim Harrick, and then position himself for a bigger job from there.

Also watch out for Bobby Hurley, who will be making his head coaching debut at Buffalo next year. He served under Danny at Wagner and Rhode Island and has it in his blood. I think he's going to be an excellent coach. Time will tell.

gorocks99;1418978 wrote:@NBCNews
BREAKING: Rutgers University terminates basketball coach Mike Rice following controversial videotape

lol

http://www.usatoday.com/story/gameon/2013/04/14/mike-rice-coaching-12-year-old-girls-aau-team/2082999/

Not quite as good of a rebound job as I thought he might get...

vball10set;1427578 wrote:lol

http://www.usatoday.com/story/gameon/2013/04/14/mike-rice-coaching-12-year-old-girls-aau-team/2082999/

Dear god I would have loved to watch this... I feel sorry for those poor girls but it would have been hilarious to watch Mike Rice blow up over 12 year old girls "playing" basketball.

Heretic;1422786 wrote:In what? The last few years? I remember a ways back when the talk about Alabama revolved around wondering if they'd ever regain the prominence they regularly had under Bear Bryant (much like with UCLA w/John Wooden). They have now, but for a while, they were just another team with tradition, but not current results.

I know there was a good stretch between titles, but Bama has a national championship in 8 different decades. That is history like no other. They've also pulled off the rare 3 titles in 4 years. So they are "now", as well. Those things combined set them apart from any other program.

Digger diagnosed with bladder cancer.

http://m.espn.go.com/ncb/story?storyId=9213039&src=desktop

More of a 2013-2014 thing, but rumor is Robert Morris will be coming to Rupp Arena for a game in early-mid December. That should be a cute story for a night...

Azubuike24;1435919 wrote:More of a 2013-2014 thing, but rumor is Robert Morris will be coming to Rupp Arena for a game in early-mid December. That should be a cute story for a night...

That is going to be an asswhooping of insane proportions.

True, but I'd take an ass beating for a nice payday. They will probably get a decent cut of the gate/concessions and a decent check to make the trip.

UK released their 2013-14 schedule. They didn't mess around scheduling some quality mid-majors.

Nov. 8 UNC Asheville
Nov. 10 Northern Kentucky
Nov. 12 vs. Michigan State (United Center, Chicago)
Nov. 17 Robert Morris
Nov. 19 Texas-Arlington
Nov. 25 Cleveland State
Nov. 27 Eastern Michigan
Dec. 1 vs. Providence (Barclay's Center, Brooklyn, N.Y.)
Dec. 6 vs. Baylor (Cowboys Stadium, Arlington, Texas)
Dec. 10 Boise State
Dec. 14 at North Carolina
Dec. 21 Belmont
Dec. 28 Louisville

That December schedule is really, really strong...especially hosting Boise who returns 6 of their top 7 scorers including Marks and Drmic.

Azubuike24;1437020 wrote:UK released their 2013-14 schedule. They didn't mess around scheduling some quality mid-majors.

Nov. 8 UNC Asheville
Nov. 10 Northern Kentucky
Nov. 12 vs. Michigan State (United Center, Chicago)
Nov. 17 Robert Morris
Nov. 19 Texas-Arlington
Nov. 25 Cleveland State
Nov. 27 Eastern Michigan
Dec. 1 vs. Providence (Barclay's Center, Brooklyn, N.Y.)
Dec. 6 vs. Baylor (Cowboys Stadium, Arlington, Texas)
Dec. 10 Boise State
Dec. 14 at North Carolina
Dec. 21 Belmont
Dec. 28 Louisville

That December schedule is really, really strong...especially hosting Boise who returns 6 of their top 7 scorers including Marks and Drmic.

Probably tougher then the entire sec slate

MSU, LVille, Boise and UNC will provide tests. UnC depending on Wiggins.

Baylor should be good, although they should've been good this year too. Providence before Ledo went pro probably would've been a top 25 caliber team, not sure now.

Laley, I've read where UL and IU are thinking about signing a deal for an annual series...true?

Baylor will never be good under drew

Azubuike24;1437265 wrote:
Laley, I've read where UL and IU are thinking about signing a deal for an annual series...true?

Yes. But they also had rumors that they were close with KU and that fell through. Crean and Pitino both seem to want this though.

They have also reportedly reopened up talks with UCLA and now that Alford there that could be closer to happening then before.

http://m.usatoday.com/article/news/2131775

Not to bash KU, but I'm interested to hear what people have to say about this.

If he's retroactively ruled ineligible (just like Derrick Rose was), does KU get punished? Should they (if the NCAA precedent has already been set)?

Azubuike24;1438413 wrote:http://m.usatoday.com/article/news/2131775

Not to bash KU, but I'm interested to hear what people have to say about this.

If he's retroactively ruled ineligible (just like Derrick Rose was), does KU get punished? Should they (if the NCAA precedent has already been set)?

I am sure prescott will drop in to present his opinion on the matter shortly.

He probably won't though. Here's a timeline though...

Derrick Rose supposedly has someone take SAT for him.
Derrick Rose commits to Memphis.
Derrick Rose plays for Memphis.
Derrick Rose leaves for the NBA.
Derrick Rose supposedly busted for not taking his own SAT.
NCAA rules Rose ineligible, retroactively, punishes Memphis.

Insert "Ben McLemore" for Derrick Rose and "takes money and gifts" for has someone take the SAT for him and you see where the timeline goes.

Remember, the NCAA stated "strict liability." Meaning that even if a school didn't know at the time of the illegal action, they should have. And yes, given this guy's relationship to McLemore (8-year relationship, coach, father figure, helped the family with bills and also provided stuff to the kid), him breaking rules is the same as McLemore himself breaking rules.

If true, will the NCAA follow their own precedent? Probably not...

Azubuike24;1438425 wrote:He probably won't though.

Of course he won't.

Azubuike wrote:Here's a timeline though...

Derrick Rose supposedly has someone take SAT for him.
Derrick Rose commits to Memphis.
Derrick Rose plays for Memphis.
Derrick Rose leaves for the NBA.
Derrick Rose supposedly busted for not taking his own SAT.
NCAA rules Rose ineligible, retroactively, punishes Memphis.

Insert "Ben McLemore" for Derrick Rose and "takes money and gifts" for has someone take the SAT for him and you see where the timeline goes.

Remember, the NCAA stated "strict liability." Meaning that even if a school didn't know at the time of the illegal action, they should have. And yes, given this guy's relationship to McLemore (8-year relationship, coach, father figure, helped the family with bills and also provided stuff to the kid), him breaking rules is the same as McLemore himself breaking rules.

If true, will the NCAA follow their own precedent? Probably not...

I honestly hope that nothing happens to Kansas -- because, if McLemore is the only person within the program who was aware of what happened, then what happened has nothing to do with Kansas nor Bill Self. However, as you point out, if the NCAA doesn't do anything about it, this is just another example why the NCAA is completely arbitrary and pointless. And, honestly, while they are at it, the NCAA should also give John Calipari his Final Fours back. Whether or not he actually knew what was going on has never been proven, so, if he didn't have any knowledge, why should he and the universities he represented be punished for something a wayward kid decided to do on his own accord? It's literally impossible to survey the actions of every single kid.

It's all one big joke.

Yep, and I'm to the point (as I said in the Duke thread) where 1 of 2 things needs to happen.

1. The NCAA needs to go away. It's going to happen, just a matter of time. How many arbitrary victims (players, coaches, schools, etc...) will fall prey before the dynasty crumbles?

2. Rules should be put into place where punishments can only come down within a certain statute or timeframe. From my understanding, this isn't written anywhere, but arbitrarily applied by the NCAA. For instance, I'll use Duke as an example. Lets say Coach K retires in 2018. Lets say in 2022 something comes out that would've put his qualifications as an NCAA coach in jeopardy. Should the NCAA go back and vacate the 1992 NCAA Title? Would anyone care? Would they waste time doing anything even if the evidence was absolutely concrete and right in front of their faces? I'd say no. However, if they were investigating a 2-year old case with the exact same facts, I'd bet they would pursue it harder.

The NCAA selectively punishes schools. They pick and choose the cases that they want to pursue and the ones that they'll let slide. It's almost like they are aware of the fact that stuff like this is going on everywhere, but every once in a while, they'll nail someone just to act like they're trying to police this type of activity.

The NCAA is like the FDA.

Both organizations are corrupt, convoluted, clueless and confusing all at the same time.

I'd gladly deliver the death blow to both of them...