sleeper
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Mar 4, 2013 9:56am
So he was actually probably 6'6 200Automatik;1399617 wrote:I believe he was listed as a skinny 6'8" 240 coming out of high school.
wildcats20
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Mar 4, 2013 10:12am
sleeper;1399637 wrote:So he was actually probably 6'6 200
They do actual measures at the draft camp. He was measured at 6'8" 245.
But 30ish pounds later and 10 years later, yeah he looked skinny.
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gport_tennis
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Mar 4, 2013 10:13am
sleeper;1399637 wrote:So he was actually probably 6'6 200
They don't overestimate 40lbs.
sleeper
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Mar 4, 2013 10:14am
Crazy. He was pretty scrawny his rookie year and blew up after that. I always thought he was roiding, even when he was a Cav.wildcats20;1399648 wrote:They do actual measures at the draft camp. He was measured at 6'8" 245.
But 30ish pounds later and 10 years later, yeah he looked skinny.
wildcats20
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Mar 4, 2013 10:16am
sleeper;1399650 wrote:Crazy. He was pretty scrawny his rookie year and blew up after that. I always thought he was roiding, even when he was a Cav.
I mean I would almost guarantee he never saw the weight room at ASVSM. So once he got on an NBA roster and workout routine, he just ballooned.
Was he roiding? No idea. Would it surprise me? Not at all.
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gport_tennis
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Mar 4, 2013 10:18am
sleeper;1399650 wrote:Crazy. He was pretty scrawny his rookie year and blew up after that. I always thought he was roiding, even when he was a Cav.
He has never been scrawny
sleeper
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Mar 4, 2013 10:18am
Yeah; I don't know if he was, but it wouldn't surprise me. He's just a freak of an athlete.wildcats20;1399654 wrote:I mean I would almost guarantee he never saw the weight room at ASVSM. So once he got on an NBA roster and workout routine, he just ballooned.
Was he roiding? No idea. Would it surprise me? Not at all.
Laley23
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Mar 4, 2013 10:19am
I mean, hs is obviously bigger now. But he is 10 years older. Not many HS kids are this big and built...
wildcats20
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Mar 4, 2013 10:21am
Laley23;1399657 wrote:I mean, hs is obviously bigger now. But he is 10 years older. Not many HS kids are this big and built...
Yeah. I would just say it's the difference between being 18 yeah old young man and now being a 28 year old man.
Automatik
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Mar 4, 2013 10:22am
It's been documented that LeBron's off season workout regimen is insane.
My personal opinion is he isn't. I just put him in the naturally gifted physical freak category....just like Pryor. But I'm with most that say they wouldn't be surprised if he was on something. There are so many advanced substances to help an athlete these days (legal and illegal), so who knows.
My personal opinion is he isn't. I just put him in the naturally gifted physical freak category....just like Pryor. But I'm with most that say they wouldn't be surprised if he was on something. There are so many advanced substances to help an athlete these days (legal and illegal), so who knows.
wildcats20
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Mar 4, 2013 10:24am
Automatik;1399660 wrote:It's been documented that LeBron's offseason workout regime is insane.
My personal opinion is he isn't. I just put him in the naturally gifted physical freak category....just like Pryor. But I'm with most that say they wouldn't be surprised if he was on something for help. There are so many advanced substances to help an athlete these days (legal and illegal), so who knows.
My feelings as well. Nothing would blow my mind anymore.
Fly4Fun
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Mar 4, 2013 11:24am
I wouldn't be surprised if there were a bunch of people in the NBA on PED's of some sort. They have one of the weakest and least effective testing policies of any major professional sports league.
And while LeBron may be one such person, I don't think he got unnaturally big after high school. The guy was pretty big (muscle wise) for a high school kid to begin with. There wasn't any abnormal progression in his frame that I recalled from season to season.
But once again, I'm not saying he's clean. I just wouldn't base any speculation on before and after photos from his high school years to 10 years later. Most athletes tend to put on a lot of muscle after high school. College and professional sports emphasize muscle building much more than high school athletics which is more about building the appropriate tools and developing talent.
And while LeBron may be one such person, I don't think he got unnaturally big after high school. The guy was pretty big (muscle wise) for a high school kid to begin with. There wasn't any abnormal progression in his frame that I recalled from season to season.
But once again, I'm not saying he's clean. I just wouldn't base any speculation on before and after photos from his high school years to 10 years later. Most athletes tend to put on a lot of muscle after high school. College and professional sports emphasize muscle building much more than high school athletics which is more about building the appropriate tools and developing talent.
gorocks99
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Mar 4, 2013 11:30am
Unrelated news: Royce White has been ejected in two of his six D-League games so far. He drove 34 hours to his game yesterday, only to play 25 minutes and rack up 5 fouls/2 technicals. Sweet pick, Houston.
Commander of Awesome
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Mar 4, 2013 11:32am
LOLgorocks99;1399707 wrote:Unrelated news: Royce White has been ejected in two of his six D-League games so far. He drove 34 hours to his game yesterday, only to play 25 minutes and rack up 5 fouls/2 technicals. Sweet pick, Houston.
Azubuike24
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Mar 4, 2013 11:35am
Anyone who has taken different prohormones or even illegal steroids, there's a lot more to it than just getting bigger and stronger. Enhancements to performance and overall function can be profound.
Automatik
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Mar 4, 2013 11:40am
Royce White is a fucking clown.
I've also heard he will be on a Dr. Phil episode. I'm sure that will be great.
I've also heard he will be on a Dr. Phil episode. I'm sure that will be great.
sleeper
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Mar 4, 2013 11:44am
I hope he gets cuts and ends up working at McDonalds.gorocks99;1399707 wrote:Unrelated news: Royce White has been ejected in two of his six D-League games so far. He drove 34 hours to his game yesterday, only to play 25 minutes and rack up 5 fouls/2 technicals. Sweet pick, Houston.
Fly4Fun
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Mar 4, 2013 11:47am
I'm not sure if this was in response to my post. But I agree.Azubuike24;1399713 wrote:Anyone who has taken different prohormones or even illegal steroids, there's a lot more to it than just getting bigger and stronger. Enhancements to performance and overall function can be profound.
Like I said, I wouldn't be surprised if LeBron or any NBA player used some form of PED. But I wouldn't base an argument for why he did on the difference in size between his HS physique and his physique 10 years later.
However, I'm also a little less skeptical about LeBron and any player who does participate in the Olympics just because there is some more strict testing there (but far from perfect as they only test in time periods during the Olympics).
Also, here is a little article published today on ESPN regarding testing and testosterone.
http://espn.go.com/blog/truehoop/post/_/id/55288/substance-of-interest-testosterone
Heretic
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Mar 4, 2013 12:34pm
I might actually break my McDonald's ban if this happens. Just to see him suffer a complete breakdown the first time he deals with a customer complaint. I mean, I won't eat their shit, but I'll loiter around the place until it happens. Shouldn't be a long wait.sleeper;1399727 wrote:I hope he gets cuts and ends up working at McDonalds.
sleeper
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Mar 4, 2013 12:35pm
I wouldn't eat it either. Full of chemicals.Heretic;1399752 wrote:I might actually break my McDonald's ban if this happens. Just to see him suffer a complete breakdown the first time he deals with a customer complaint. I mean, I won't eat their shit, but I'll loiter around the place until it happens. Shouldn't be a long wait.
Pick6
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Mar 4, 2013 1:11pm
Didnt Lebron have to have bone spurs removed from his jaw a few years ago? Arent bone spurs a sign of HGH? Wouldnt surprise me, but I cannot stand Incarcerated Bob. I tweeted him last night saying "Nothing will come of this, just like 95% of the other 'breaking news' you report."
Automatik
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Mar 4, 2013 1:21pm
Bone spurs can occur due to HGH use, but it's not like jaw bone spurs are an anomaly. People with TMJ will deal with t hem.
Azubuike24
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Mar 4, 2013 1:36pm
Cancer can also be correlated to chronic high levels of IGF-1. IGF-1 can be directly elevated due to HGH, whether it be endogenous or injected. It doesn't necessarily mean he was using HGH, even with a side effect.
Then again, HGH testing was almost non-existant and it has always been very difficult to detect. You can't simply look at levels, or even blood levels. My HGH levels last time I had them checked a month ago were off the charts. I've never used exogenous HGH in my life.
Then again, HGH testing was almost non-existant and it has always been very difficult to detect. You can't simply look at levels, or even blood levels. My HGH levels last time I had them checked a month ago were off the charts. I've never used exogenous HGH in my life.
Midstate01
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Mar 5, 2013 4:22pm
wildcats20
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Mar 5, 2013 4:37pm
Ibaka was fined $25k for his nut slap to Blake Griffin and not suspended.