
Classyposter58
Posts: 6,321
Sep 30, 2012 11:13pm
Oh you are. They really skipped on Barnes for Waiters? Seriously Barnes and Irving would've been an amazing duo.BearBoy69;1284160 wrote:Personally I think the Cavs are making the right moves. Or I could be a Cleveland basketball idiot like all Browns fans have no clue about football at all.

sleeper
Posts: 27,879
Sep 30, 2012 11:40pm
They got a good starting 5 in Wall, Beal, Ariza, Okafor, and Nene. They should be much better this year.friendfromlowry;1283574 wrote:IF they pull off one of the last seeds in the playoffs that just means getting super-stomped by Chicago or Miami. And that's a big 'IF' to begin with. Kyrie is often hurt, so is Varejao. We'll see what Zellar and Waiters can provide but they're going to have to be impressive.
Sleeper - You said something about the Wizards being the most surprising team. Why?

Mulva
Posts: 13,650
Oct 1, 2012 12:35am
I thought last year's draft class was awful, like everyone else. i wanted irving and kanter. once that possibility was gone there was nobody i would have taken at 4 (was unsold on Jonas). wanted them to trade back (or trade out entirely).Commander of Awesome;1284164 wrote:Who over TT and Zeller?
I liked klay thompson, who looked pretty good this year, and Tobias Harris, who basically did nothing, but wouldn't have touched either of them at 5.
I like zeller. If we were trading up the only other guy i might have taken was t jones. I would have just prefered to keep our second rounders and sticking at 25 or whatever it was. Thought there was good depth in this draft.

Crimson streak
Posts: 9,002
Oct 1, 2012 3:49am
Mulva;1284219 wrote:I thought last year's draft class was awful, like everyone else. i wanted irving and kanter. once that possibility was gone there was nobody i would have taken at 4 (was unsold on Jonas). wanted them to trade back (or trade out entirely).
I liked klay thompson, who looked pretty good this year, and Tobias Harris, who basically did nothing, but wouldn't have touched either of them at 5.
I like zeller. If we were trading up the only other guy i might have taken was t jones. I would have just prefered to keep our second rounders and sticking at 25 or whatever it was. Thought there was good depth in this draft.
I disagree. You can't go in the season with 4 rookies on your roster. Especially 2nd rd picks who rarely ever pan out, zeller was a steal where we selected him. He's very solid in all aspects of the game. He's not a guy whose going to average 20&10 but a guy that can get you 13 and 10 and he runs the floor better than 90 percent of the centers in the nba. The waiters pick I'm ok with because they needed another guy who can create his own shot. The only 2 guys that could do that in this draft were waiters and lamb, and possibly mkg. If you look at college stats waiters actually shot better than beal did.

KR1245
Posts: 4,317
Oct 1, 2012 7:04am
I agree. This was a deep draft but giving up the 24th pick as well as a couple picks in the 30's isnt that big of a dealCrimson streak;1284240 wrote:I disagree. You can't go in the season with 4 rookies on your roster. Especially 2nd rd picks who rarely ever pan out, zeller was a steal where we selected him. He's very solid in all aspects of the game. He's not a guy whose going to average 20&10 but a guy that can get you 13 and 10 and he runs the floor better than 90 percent of the centers in the nba. The waiters pick I'm ok with because they needed another guy who can create his own shot. The only 2 guys that could do that in this draft were waiters and lamb, and possibly mkg. If you look at college stats waiters actually shot better than beal did.

jordo212000
Posts: 10,664
Oct 1, 2012 7:29am
Mulva;1283749 wrote:Lamb would have been my top choice in the draft (for the Cavs situation).
I would have done this as well.

like_that
Posts: 26,625
Oct 1, 2012 7:33am
jordo212000;1284275 wrote:I would have done this as well.
Hey Jordo are you going to make a crazy going out on a limb prediction this year like the cavs won't make the playoffs and then when they don't you are going to post about how you told us so?!?!?!
Can't wait, we all love the sports knowledge you add to all threads!!!!!!

jordo212000
Posts: 10,664
Oct 1, 2012 7:33am
like_that;1284279 wrote:Hey Jordo are you going to make a crazy going out on a limb prediction this year like the cavs won't make the playoffs and then when they don't you are going to post about how you told us so?!?!?!
Can't wait, we all love the sports knowledge you add to all threads!!!!!!
I'll make my predictions soon

Commander of Awesome
Posts: 23,151
Oct 1, 2012 9:27am
Can't wait to read you and bearboy discussing them!jordo212000;1284280 wrote:I'll make my predictions soon

like_that
Posts: 26,625
Oct 1, 2012 9:34am
Didn't knwo what you were talking about until I checked the first page on this thread. I needed the lulz. lolfail at blake being a better all around player than KD.Commander of Awesome;1284362 wrote:Can't wait to read you and bearboy discussing them!
Anyway, you are giving jordo too much credit. No way he will make a prediction and get into a discussion with somebody. He will make an obvious prediction that maybe one person will respond to, and then later in the year he will claim that "a bunch of posters" didn't agree with him.

Commander of Awesome
Posts: 23,151
Oct 1, 2012 9:36am
Yeah his trolling, and running amok in Cleveland threads is nothing new.like_that;1284369 wrote:Didn't knwo what you were talking about until I checked the first page on this thread. I needed the lulz. lolfail at blake being a better all around player than KD.
Anyway, you are giving jordo too much credit. No way he will make a prediction and get into a discussion with somebody. He will make an obvious prediction that maybe one person will respond to, and then later in the year he will claim that "a bunch of posters" didn't agree with him.

like_that
Posts: 26,625
Oct 1, 2012 9:58am
ROY- Anthony Davis
DPOY- Dwight Howard
MVP- Blake Griffin (LOLFAIL). Kevin Durant edges LeBron this year
Most Surprising team- T-Wolves
Most Disappointing- NY Knicks/Chicago Bulls
Eastern Conference Champs- Heat
Western Conference Champs- Lakers
All NBA 1st Team-
G- Chris Paul
G- Westbrook
F- Lebron James
F- Kevin Durant
C- Dwight Howard
DPOY- Dwight Howard
MVP- Blake Griffin (LOLFAIL). Kevin Durant edges LeBron this year
Most Surprising team- T-Wolves
Most Disappointing- NY Knicks/Chicago Bulls
Eastern Conference Champs- Heat
Western Conference Champs- Lakers
All NBA 1st Team-
G- Chris Paul
G- Westbrook
F- Lebron James
F- Kevin Durant
C- Dwight Howard

Commander of Awesome
Posts: 23,151
Oct 1, 2012 11:03am
ROY- Barnes
DPOY- Dwight Howard
MVP- Durrantuala
Most Surprising team- Not sure what this means, but I'll go with team we thought would be bad and make the playoffs - Golden State
Most Disappointing- Clippers
Eastern Conference Champs- Heat
Western Conference Champs- Lakers
All NBA 1st Team-
G- Chris Paul
G- Dwill
F- Lebron James
F- Kevin Durant
C- Dwight Howard
DPOY- Dwight Howard
MVP- Durrantuala
Most Surprising team- Not sure what this means, but I'll go with team we thought would be bad and make the playoffs - Golden State
Most Disappointing- Clippers
Eastern Conference Champs- Heat
Western Conference Champs- Lakers
All NBA 1st Team-
G- Chris Paul
G- Dwill
F- Lebron James
F- Kevin Durant
C- Dwight Howard

Commander of Awesome
Posts: 23,151
Oct 1, 2012 3:06pm
Tom Thibodeau and the Bulls aggread upon a 4 yr extension. Seems like a no brainer to me. Bulls fans have to be glad its done before the start of the season.

Mulva
Posts: 13,650
Oct 1, 2012 3:52pm
Why not?Crimson streak;1284240 wrote:I disagree. You can't go in the season with 4 rookies.

Crimson streak
Posts: 9,002
Oct 1, 2012 3:59pm
Mulva;1284755 wrote:Why not?
Cause that means your going to be horrible. Especially when their 2nd round picks. And plus there wasn't much room on the roster for them all. Plus the cavs picked up Kevin jones who they would have drafted in the 2nd rd if they had a pick so essentially we got rid of a 2nd and a late first for zeller

Mulva
Posts: 13,650
Oct 1, 2012 4:22pm
I would take a lot of wings that were available in the 2nd over Walton, casspi (at least last year's casspi), and Gibson. I also would have taken a couple PGs (at 25 or in round 2) over Sloan and pargo (who are both 2nd year guys by the way... Not a huge difference).Crimson streak;1284761 wrote:Cause that means your going to be horrible. Especially when their 2nd round picks. And plus there wasn't much room on the roster for them all. Plus the cavs picked up Kevin jones who they would have drafted in the 2nd rd if they had a pick so essentially we got rid of a 2nd and a late first for zeller
We were gonna be horrible either way. I don't think rookies would have changed that.

Crimson streak
Posts: 9,002
Oct 1, 2012 4:24pm
Mulva;1284769 wrote:I would take a lot of wings that were available in the 2nd over Walton, casspi (at least last year's casspi), and Gibson. I also would have taken a couple PGs (at 25 or in round 2) over Sloan and pargo (who are both 2nd year guys by the way... Not a huge difference).
We were gonna be horrible either way. I don't think rookies would have changed that.
But you also need some vets on this team. I agree about Walton and casspi. But Walton is a huge expiring/ trade chip.

Trueblue23
Posts: 7,463
Oct 1, 2012 5:28pm
ROY: Kidd-Gilchrist
DPOY: Dwight Howard
MVP: Durant edges LeBron (More so a "we don't wanna give it to LBJ again" deal"
Most surprising team: Dallas Mavericks
Most disappointing team: Knicks
Eastern Conference Champions: Miami Heat
Western Conference Champions: Los Angeles.... Lakers
NBA Champ: Kobe gets #6. Lakers.
All NBA First Team
Chris Paul
Kobe Bryant
LeBron James
Kevin Durant
Dwight Howard
DPOY: Dwight Howard
MVP: Durant edges LeBron (More so a "we don't wanna give it to LBJ again" deal"
Most surprising team: Dallas Mavericks
Most disappointing team: Knicks
Eastern Conference Champions: Miami Heat
Western Conference Champions: Los Angeles.... Lakers
NBA Champ: Kobe gets #6. Lakers.
All NBA First Team
Chris Paul
Kobe Bryant
LeBron James
Kevin Durant
Dwight Howard

Ironman92
Posts: 49,363
Oct 1, 2012 9:18pm
Here's my prediction....Dwight Howard won't be great this year.

Trueblue23
Posts: 7,463
Oct 1, 2012 10:48pm
Really? What makes you have that opinion?Ironman92;1284906 wrote:Here's my prediction....Dwight Howard won't be great this year.

sleeper
Posts: 27,879
Oct 1, 2012 10:59pm
Because Howard is overrated and he'll be shadowed by Steve Nash and Pau Gasol.

Crimson streak
Posts: 9,002
Oct 2, 2012 3:26am
sleeper;1284998 wrote:Because Howard is overrated and he'll be shadowed by Steve Nash and Pau Gasol.
Not only that but I don't think his back will hold up. Back problems is no joke it can effect you the rest of your life

Ironman92
Posts: 49,363
Oct 2, 2012 6:05am
Trueblue23;1284987 wrote:Really? What makes you have that opinion?
Just a hunch...great fits don't always work.

Commander of Awesome
Posts: 23,151
Oct 2, 2012 9:27am
On its face, it’s the best talent I’ve been around," Bryant said.
http://sports.yahoo.com/news/nba--kobe-calls-lakers-his-most-talented-team-ever.html
My first reaction was to disagree, but when I thought about it, I'd have to agree with him. Also I'd say its more talented than the Celtics team that won it, maybe more than the Bulls team that won (player wise, not the way the team plays together) and maybe more talented than the current Heat team.
I think most people on here severely under rate Pau Gasol, and lets just say I highly disagree with some of the opinions I read on here regarding Howard. Barring an injury, I expect him to be a monster this year. What do you guys think, most talented Lakers team in Kobe's tenure? What about in the league?
http://sports.yahoo.com/news/nba--kobe-calls-lakers-his-most-talented-team-ever.html
My first reaction was to disagree, but when I thought about it, I'd have to agree with him. Also I'd say its more talented than the Celtics team that won it, maybe more than the Bulls team that won (player wise, not the way the team plays together) and maybe more talented than the current Heat team.
I think most people on here severely under rate Pau Gasol, and lets just say I highly disagree with some of the opinions I read on here regarding Howard. Barring an injury, I expect him to be a monster this year. What do you guys think, most talented Lakers team in Kobe's tenure? What about in the league?