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Nov 16, 2012 7:55 PM
lhslep134;1321838 wrote:HB, you're completely dodging my argument. Those are last year's stats so Jimmer and Lowry are irrelevant. You want to discredit PER, but your explanation for win shares is???

Answer the question: Is Player A, B, or C visibly or significantly worse than any of the others?
Okay, last years has Pekovic, Branden Wright and Farried as top 25 players, equally as dumb. Its a quite stupid system for determining a players worth.

And to appease you, no none of those players using the stats you gave me is any worse than the others. Now go ahead and tell me that player A and C or w/e is Lebron and Kobe and ill let you continue to salivate over Harden
Nov 16, 2012 7:55pm
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Nov 16, 2012 8:06 PM
A is Kobe B is your boy Melo and C is Harden.

Thank you, come again.
Nov 16, 2012 8:06pm
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Nov 16, 2012 8:12 PM
lhslep134;1321850 wrote:A is Kobe B is your boy Melo and C is Harden.

Thank you, come again.

You used the most idiot stats to back your argument. Why don't you post the ppg fg % assists rebounds etc? Because you used made up retard stats to back your argument
Nov 16, 2012 8:12pm
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Nov 16, 2012 8:15 PM
Why is the James Harden discussion still going on? How about we let it die? kthanks.
Nov 16, 2012 8:15pm
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Nov 16, 2012 8:19 PM
Crimson streak;1321855 wrote:You used the most idiot stats to back your argument. Why don't you post the ppg fg % assists rebounds etc? Because you used made up retard stats to back your argument
lol hes dead set on it
Nov 16, 2012 8:19pm
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Nov 16, 2012 8:24 PM
Automatik;1321857 wrote:Why is the James Harden discussion still going on? How about we let it die? kthanks.
Yeah thats my fault lol, I made an indirect smartass remark about top 25 players and he came charging back with his PER argument. Ill let it die lol
Nov 16, 2012 8:24pm
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Nov 16, 2012 8:25 PM
Hb31187;1321861 wrote:Yeah thats my fault lol, I made an indirect smartass remark about top 25 players and he came charging back with his PER argument. Ill let it die lol

I think sleeper rehashed the argument as Well by saying harden was meaty oker
Nov 16, 2012 8:25pm
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Nov 16, 2012 8:28 PM
Crimson streak;1321855 wrote:You used the most idiot stats to back your argument. Why don't you post the ppg fg % assists rebounds etc? Because you used made up retard stats to back your argument
Because his stats will be lower based on playing time. I could use TS% where he was top 5, but I opted to use metrics that describe a player regardless of their minutes. Sorry that you're stuck in the dark age where advanced metrics have no sway.
Nov 16, 2012 8:28pm
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Nov 16, 2012 8:37 PM
Hb31187;1321832 wrote:You continue to use PER as a backing point for your argument. Have you seen some of the players that rank top 25 in PER? LOL


For example, Kyle Lowery is #1 this year, and Jimmer Fredette is #3. Very solid system

Refer to this per is a joke
Nov 16, 2012 8:37pm
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Nov 16, 2012 8:38 PM
lhslep134;1321865 wrote:Because his stats will be lower based on playing time. I could use TS% where he was top 5, but I opted to use metrics that describe a player regardless of their minutes. Sorry that you're stuck in the dark age where advanced metrics have no sway.

Also if his playing time is less doesn't that mean he's not as good? A top 25 player should get a lot if minutes am I right?
Nov 16, 2012 8:38pm
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Nov 16, 2012 8:41 PM
Crimson streak;1321875 wrote:Also if his playing time is less doesn't that mean he's not as good? A top 25 player should get a lot if minutes am I right?

Harden played almost 31 minutes a game last year
Nov 16, 2012 8:41pm
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Nov 16, 2012 9:23 PM
gport_tennis;1321878 wrote:Harden played almost 31 minutes a game last year

Ihsep said his numbers are lower because of playing time.....
Nov 16, 2012 9:23pm
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Nov 16, 2012 9:41 PM
Here's my explanation..

I don't give a shit about win shares, PER, RBIs, runs of 10 yds or more or any of that ridiculous ESPN hyped "stats" bullshit.

Harden is not a Top 25 player. Someone start a Top 25 thread, we'll leave it open for a few days then average every players standing into the official OC NBA Top 25 Players List.
Nov 16, 2012 9:41pm
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Nov 16, 2012 10:20 PM
The crappy Magic beat the even worse Pistons

Redick with 23....a top 94 player IMO
Nov 16, 2012 10:20pm
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Nov 16, 2012 10:22 PM
Thunder win big

Kevin Martin 27/5/4
Nov 16, 2012 10:22pm
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Nov 16, 2012 10:26 PM
Ironman92;1321923 wrote:The crappy Magic beat the even worse Pistons

Re**** with 23....a top 94 player IMO

No way I would put him at 96 ;)
Nov 16, 2012 10:26pm
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Nov 16, 2012 10:32 PM
Crimson streak;1321927 wrote:No way I would put him at 96 ;)

PM me your top 95 pls.
Nov 16, 2012 10:32pm
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Nov 16, 2012 10:34 PM
lhslep134;1321921 wrote:I'll defer to those actually paid to watch and analyze rather than you guys since clearly you're in denial.

http://www.slamonline.com/online/nba/slamonline-top-50/2012/10/top-50-james-harden-no-20/
You mean the same experts who didn't select Harden last year for the all-star game? Or ever? LOL That's already 24 players better than Harden according to the experts(and Rondo who was selected by the coaches makes it 25). :thumbup:
Nov 16, 2012 10:34pm
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Nov 16, 2012 10:35 PM
Watching Mem play the Knicks. Memphis might be my favorite team to watch so far this year, Conley has really progressed. Team is playing at such a high level right, really fun to watch.
Nov 16, 2012 10:35pm
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Nov 16, 2012 10:41 PM
Royce White threatening to quit, lol. One of the more predictable busts of all time, and coming off as a complete tool in my opinion. Meltdown was coming from a mile away.
Nov 16, 2012 10:41pm
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Nov 16, 2012 10:48 PM
Mulva;1321937 wrote:Royce White threatening to quit, lol. One of the more predictable busts of all time, and coming off as a complete tool in my opinion. Meltdown was coming from a mile away.
I gave the guy the benefit of the doubt when first hearing about his "health" issues, but after his recent Twitter outburst he can fuck off.
Nov 16, 2012 10:48pm
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Nov 16, 2012 10:48 PM
From what I've been reading, White does not want to fly and will not travel by flight to any game. He essentially wants to play only home games. What a joke.
Nov 16, 2012 10:48pm
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Nov 16, 2012 10:50 PM
lol what a fucking pussy.
Nov 16, 2012 10:50pm
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Nov 16, 2012 10:50 PM
sleeper;1321941 wrote:From what I've been reading, White does not want to fly and will not travel by flight to any game. He essentially wants to play only home games. What a joke.

It's OK for Vin Scully....but he's 117 years old.
Nov 16, 2012 10:50pm