elitesmithie05;1299561 wrote:The video had about 100 views the day of the attack..give it a rest already

It wasn't the actual viewing of the video, it was the word or mouth about it from the radical clerics about the video.

ptown_trojans_1;1299583 wrote:It wasn't the actual viewing of the video, it was the word or mouth about it from the radical clerics about the video.

The word of (not or) mouth had RPG's ready?

The video had NOTHING to do with it. Stop parroting the administration's position. I know your job depends on it but it doesn't make it correct. We aren't living in a Star Wars universe where Jedi mind tricks work. There is a word for this. It is:

Incompetence.

Manhattan Buckeye;1299685 wrote:The word of (not or) mouth had RPG's ready?

The video had NOTHING to do with it. Stop parroting the administration's position. I know your job depends on it but it doesn't make it correct. We aren't living in a Star Wars universe where Jedi mind tricks work. There is a word for this. It is:

Incompetence.

Not exactly.
Once the word of mouth led to the Cairo attacks and demonstrations, what occurred then were the demonstrations in Libya.
Once that happened, al Qaeda already in Libya and looking for a way to pounce on the situation, then took over the demonstrations and then it turned deadly.
So, it was a combination of the video sparking the riots, that then led to al Qaeda using the rioters as perfect cover to attack.
So, both sides have validity in their arguments.
The video had an impact, but much overstated by the administration.
And, it was an attack by al Qaeda.

The problem is the administration did an atrocious job at disseminating the information and relaying it to the public.
I agree Rice should be gone, actually.

But, they did not lie, as they just did not have all the facts and really still do not.

And, my job does not depend on the administration. I'm in the private sector. If anything it may depend on if Congress gets its act together and comes up to a solution on sequestration.

"The problem is the administration did an atrocious job at disseminating the information and relaying it to the public.
I agree Rice should be gone, actually. "

I agree with you on this, why is she still employed?

I still disagree on the youtube video, it is a scapegoat (reading your post again, even you admit to that). Again, Jedi mind tricks don't work for people that have an IQ above the current administration's pay grade.

ptown_trojans_1;1299692 wrote: I agree Rice should be gone, actually.

Why? She really just repeated the latest intelligence talking points from the CIA at her disposal the day she went on T.V.

So in sum, Manhattan Buckeye's assertion that the Obama Administration lied with regard to the Benghazi attacks because of Ambassador Rice's description of the events on t.v. is wrong based upon the evidence. The intelligence at her disposal from the CIA supports her description of what happened. Safe to say the thread should be locked :thumbup:

teflon president...never his fault, never his responsbility. The standard has been set extremely low for Obama.

BoatShoes;1299863 wrote:So in sum, Manhattan Buckeye's assertion that the Obama Administration lied with regard to the Benghazi attacks because of Ambassador Rice's description of the events on t.v. is wrong based upon the evidence. The intelligence at her disposal from the CIA supports her description of what happened. Safe to say the thread should be locked :thumbup:

Well in sum Hillary Clinton took the blame, last time I checked the Department of State is part of the administration. Yet she's still working.

Manhattan Buckeye;1300137 wrote:Well in sum Hillary Clinton took the blame, last time I checked the Department of State is part of the administration. Yet she's still working.

I would also point out that we have never seen intelligence bent or manipulated to suit an agenda. That has never happened.

People continue to be outraged when they discover they've been misled, only to prove time and again they are willing accomplices when the narrative supports what they want to believe.

BoatShoes;1299229 wrote:I don't suppose you have any evidence for that blather.

I was referring to post #151....like Biden in the VP debate, all you can do is laugh and not say anything to refute? Laugh, interrupt...anyhting to obscure the truth. Have you ever heard Israel apologize for anything? No. That's because in Mid East culture, an apology is an admission of guilt and submission for punishment.

Look...it's no shame to abandon these guys. The economy has been stuck in neutral, the foreign policy is a mess. Don't you get tired of the spin? I know you believe in Keynes....but it's not like Romney is going to eliminate deficits immediately. Why do you stick up for this?

HitsRus;1300373 wrote:I was referring to post #151....like Biden in the VP debate, all you can do is laugh and not say anything to refute? Laugh, interrupt...anyhting to obscure the truth. Have you ever heard Israel apologize for anything? No. That's because in Mid East culture, an apology is an admission of guilt and submission for punishment.

Look...it's no shame to abandon these guys. The economy has been stuck in neutral, the foreign policy is a mess. Don't you get tired of the spin? I know you believe in Keynes....but it's not like Romney is going to eliminate deficits immediately. Why do you stick up for this?

1. I didn't respond to your claims about Middle-East culture because I suspect they're absurd (hence the laughter) and I asked you to provide evidence for them.

2. As far as "sticking up for this" it's because the administration has done a good job under the circumstances as several of the newspapers endorsing it have laid out in recent days. This is just another manufactured crisis.

"This is just another manufactured crisis."

Jesus Christ on a tractor. Our ambassador was murdered. You have to go back decades to Iran to find an analogous situation and it cost Carter the '80 election. Our embassies were attacked, that is tantamount to attacking the U.S., and this is a "manufactured crisis"? Do you even believe your own BS?

Manhattan Buckeye;1301273 wrote:"This is just another manufactured crisis."

Jesus Christ on a tractor. Our ambassador was murdered. You have to go back decades to Iran to find an analogous situation and it cost Carter the '80 election. Our embassies were attacked, that is tantamount to attacking the U.S., and this is a "manufactured crisis"? Do you even believe your own BS?

I think he does. Liberalism is a mental disorder.

BoatShoes;1301125 wrote:1. I didn't respond to your claims about Middle-East culture because I suspect they're absurd (hence the laughter) and I asked you to provide evidence for them.

2. As far as "sticking up for this" it's because the administration has done a good job under the circumstances as several of the newspapers endorsing it have laid out in recent days. This is just another manufactured crisis.

Sorry Boat, but you just ruined your credibility, our ambassador was murdered and you sound like Obama "it was not ideal".

Manhattan Buckeye;1301273 wrote:"This is just another manufactured crisis."

Jesus Christ on a tractor. Our ambassador was murdered. You have to go back decades to Iran to find an analogous situation and it cost Carter the '80 election. Our embassies were attacked, that is tantamount to attacking the U.S., and this is a "manufactured crisis"? Do you even believe your own BS?

The manufacturing is you and others trying to turn this into a scandalous cover-up when the evidence indicates the administration was relying on talking points garnered from available intelligence.

jmog;1301513 wrote:Sorry Boat, but you just ruined your credibility, our ambassador was murdered and you sound like Obama "it was not ideal".

Well let's not pretend you thought I had any credibility before for starters. What is manufactured is conservatives trying to leverage a tragedy into a full-scale cover-up or scandal. It is genuinely similar to liberals trying to slander the Bush administration's reaction to 9/11 and/or suggest it was complicit in the matter.

BoatShoes;1301692 wrote:The manufacturing is you and others trying to turn this into a scandalous cover-up when the evidence indicates the administration was relying on talking points garnered from available intelligence.

Complete rubbish!

BoatShoes;1301700 wrote:Well let's not pretend you thought I had any credibility before for starters. What is manufactured is conservatives trying to leverage a tragedy into a full-scale cover-up or scandal. It is genuinely similar to liberals trying to slander the Bush administration's reaction to 9/11 and/or suggest it was complicit in the matter.

I've always thought you posted with good credibility and always backed up your thoughts well. I don't necessarily agree with them, but that doesn't mean you weren't "credible".

I'm not saying the Admin did anything to make the attack happen or refused to help prevent it.

However, there is little doubt after the time they knew it was a terrorist act, they still tried to blame the video for a period of time. The timeline can be blurred by either side of the aisle, but that fact is pretty much undeniable.

That is not a manufactured crisis.

Manufactured? No big deal?
http://thehill.com/blogs/global-affairs/terrorism/261839-timeline-of-libya-attack-reveals-administration-contradictions-

Here is the timeline of events in Libya that preceded and followed the attacks. Despite plenty of warnings prior to the attacks, NOTHING was done to increase security, no contingency plans were made for any type of event that might put American citizens in harm's way. Plausible deniability in stating as Biden said...they didn't know is negligence/incompetence. Worse...as Chris Steven's and others are being murdered, ...the worst attack on American citizens since 9/11 2001...the pres. is jetting off to Las Vegas....is indifference.

BoatShoes;1301692 wrote:The manufacturing is you and others trying to turn this into a scandalous cover-up when the evidence indicates the administration was relying on talking points garnered from available intelligence.

Well that would make sense if Chris (tingling down my leg) Matthews was available intelligence.

Unfortunately, Chris Matthews isn't proper military intelligence, he's a Democrat stooge posing on MSNBC.

HitsRus;1302081 wrote:Manufactured? No big deal?
http://thehill.com/blogs/global-affairs/terrorism/261839-timeline-of-libya-attack-reveals-administration-contradictions-

Here is the timeline of events in Libya that preceded and followed the attacks. Despite plenty of warnings prior to the attacks, NOTHING was done to increase security, no contingency plans were made for any type of event that might put American citizens in harm's way. Plausible deniability in stating as Biden said...they didn't know is negligence/incompetence. Worse...as Chris Steven's and others are being murdered, ...the worst attack on American citizens since 9/11 2001...the pres. is jetting off to Las Vegas....is indifference.

You are Monday morning Quarterbacking. The administration relied on evidence from other embassies/consulates as to what they thought was the proper security protocol...following protocol based upon what reasonable intelligence officials would do under the circumstances is not negligence in the same way that choosing not to build a wall that would stop a foul ball from hitting a fan in all possible circumstances is not negligence. And, it's sickening of course that you'd think our president is indifferent to the death of a man he was personally close to because the show must go on. Just take a step and realize what you're saying here. You're just like the anti-war liberals writing ostentatious and outrageous things about President Bush in my college newspaper.

Manhattan Buckeye;1302798 wrote:Well that would make sense if Chris (tingling down my leg) Matthews was available intelligence.

Unfortunately, Chris Matthews isn't proper military intelligence, he's a Democrat stooge posing on MSNBC.

The CIA talking points are proper intelligence and that is what Ambassador Rice was relying on when she went on T.V. which you have claimed was a lie or cover-up not based on proper intelligence. In fact, you even went so far as to post a video from Drawn Together as if it was self-evident. However, your intuition was proven incorrect.

jmog;1301846 wrote:I've always thought you posted with good credibility and always backed up your thoughts well. I don't necessarily agree with them, but that doesn't mean you weren't "credible".

I'm not saying the Admin did anything to make the attack happen or refused to help prevent it.

However, there is little doubt after the time they knew it was a terrorist act, they still tried to blame the video for a period of time. The timeline can be blurred by either side of the aisle, but that fact is pretty much undeniable.

That is not a manufactured crisis.

They never said it wasn't a terrorist attack. Whether it was pre-planned, spontaneous or opportunistic it was still a terrorist attack and nobody ever said it wasn't. The question was whether it was pre-planned (and if so how much), opportunistic or spontaneous...and the administration never misled purposefully on that point but relied on the evidence at hand from the intelligence community. It is ridiculous that we're even playing this type of language game. This is the exact type of thing conservatives would be outraged about if the commander in chief was a Republican.

If the commander-in-chief was a republican he would have been forced to resign.

So an administration who basically purged the words "terror", "terrorism", "war on terror", and "terrorist" from its national security lexicon the first few years it held power, is now claiming it called the attack for what it was from the beginning?