Paul Ryan is a fiscal hawk fraud. He is a neocon deluxe. Cut the Medicaid/Medicare...but expand the wars and further bloat the military. Fuck him.

Footwedge;1246264 wrote:.. Cut the Medicaid/Medicare...but expand the wars and further bloat the military. **** him.

If you add in a socially conservative to this mix that's exactly what I am interested in finding as a candidate!

stlouiedipalma;1246240 wrote:Republicans have been searching for years on ways to cut Social Security, Medicare and Medicaid and they now think they have found the perfect excuse.

The Dems didn't have to find an excuse. They simply transferred $700 billion out of Medicare to help pay for their newest failed socialist program known as Obamacare.

You lefties kill me. You constantly paint Repubs as wanting to throw our wheel-chair bound elderly off the health care cliff yet ignore the fact that part of Obama's "plan" to fix our national ills is to pull billions out of Medicare and redistribute the money to someone else.

Nevertheless I would agree with you that Social Security and Medicare are not entitlement programs in the sense that the programs are "handout's". These Americanized socialist programs were thrust upon the American people (except Congressmen, public employees, some unions, etc. of course) and mandated by law....IE: A lifetime of taxation. These programs are an entitlement in the sense that the Feds confiscated our money with the promise of health care and a monthly retirement check in return. The pitfalls of the dreaded "social contract" thingy not-to-mention I get yearly statements from the Feds stating I will receive it, not I might. That looks a lot like a paper contract to me.

So - yeah - for those of us who have been paying in to both programs for decades we are entitled to cashing in on the promise. SS and Medicare are certainly not handout's.

These socialist unfunded programs that believer intends to extract every last penny while the generations below him do the same and get nothing.

The world selfish comes to mind...

They intitially weren't handouts until they were heavily underfunded. Slash them to zero and let the baby boomers, the worst generation in American history, suffer the consequences.

Footwedge;1246264 wrote:Paul Ryan is a fiscal hawk fraud. He is a neocon deluxe. Cut the Medicaid/Medicare...but expand the wars and further bloat the military. **** him.

Thanks for the Talking Points Memo.

stlouiedipalma;1246240 wrote:The idea that anyone 55 and older can opt for traditional Medicare is ridiculous, and the reasoning can be found in the Republicans' arguments that Medicare will run out of money by 2024.

Um, the Republicans aren't the ones saying that. That would be the Medicare Trustees and the Medicare Actuary. But carry on . . .

http://waysandmeans.house.gov/uploadedfiles/summary_of_2012_medicare_trustees_report.pdf

Republicans have been searching for years on ways to cut Social Security, Medicare and Medicaid and they now think they have found the perfect excuse.

When Republicans merely suggest cutting the rate of increase (not "cutting"), the shrieks and howls from you guys drown out all attempts at reason and logic.

But when Obama actually cuts $700 Billion from Medicare for Obamacare, you guys are silent. I think an explanation is in order, but I'm not holding my breath.

Footwedge;1246264 wrote:Paul Ryan is a fiscal hawk fraud. He is a neocon deluxe. Cut the Medicaid/Medicare...but expand the wars and further bloat the military. **** him.

Paul Ryan knows how to read a pie chart and see what the largest drivers of US debt are. And they ain't the military or the wars . . .

BoatShoes;1244698 wrote:You underestimate Joe Biden and that's a mistake. In the democratic presidential debates he made BHO, Hillary and everyone else look relatively silly on foreign policy issues...an area where Paul Ryan has little experience.

Somehow I don't think Paul Ryan will be made to look silly . . .

http://www.therightscoop.com/joe-biden-in-virginia-we-can-win-north-carolina/

Here's some insight regarding Obama's $700 billion in Medicare cuts.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/jared-bernstein/paul-ryan-medicare-cut_b_1776031.html?utm_hp_ref=politics

obama can cut $700 billion from medicare because the death panels will be eliminating health care beyond a certain age.

All's well that ends well.


Change we can believe in ...

stlouiedipalma;1246592 wrote:Here's some insight regarding Obama's $700 billion in Medicare cuts.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/jared-bernstein/paul-ryan-medicare-cut_b_1776031.html?utm_hp_ref=politics

Yeah, Jared Bernstein is fraught with insight. :rolleyes:

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10000872396390444318104577585690172683560.html

"Mr. Ryan's achievement has been to confront the greatest domestic political challenge of our time—the unaffordability of the entitlement state—and move a tangible and pragmatic solution to the center of the national debate."

and for that he is villified by the hysterical Left.

fish82;1246685 wrote:Yeah, Jared Bernstein is fraught with insight. :rolleyes:

lol You beat me to it!

stlouiedipalma;1246240 wrote:The idea that anyone 55 and older can opt for traditional Medicare is ridiculous, and the reasoning can be found in the Republicans' arguments that Medicare will run out of money by 2024.

Let's say the Ryan budget is approved by a Republican Congress and signed by President Romney sometime in 2013. Anyone who is 55 next year will have to wait until 2023 before they are eligible to receive benefits. If the system is set to run out of funding in 2024 how in the world can all these people expect to have benefits waiting for them one year after they are eligible?

The answer is simple: their benefits will be cut drastically or they will have to go on the voucher system the Ryan budget calls for. Either way the whole "55 and older" argument is a lie.

Republicans have been searching for years on ways to cut Social Security, Medicare and Medicaid and they now think they have found the perfect excuse.

One more thing: these programs are called entitlement programs because individuals were taxed over their entire working history. Once they reach the eligible age requirement, they are entitled to those benefits. It isn't a freaking handout, as so many righties and teabaggers would have you think, they are goods and services which were purchased over a lifetime of working.

You are combining two different ideas and using it to call them liars.

The Rs are saying that it will be out of money by 2024 IF NOTHING is done. They are proposing changes that affect those 54 and younger to make it last LONGER THAN 2024.

Come on man, you are better than that.

fish82;1246731 wrote:

May be a problem for him actually.

Britt Hume of all people apparently pressed him hard on how it is possible to give everyone a 20% tax cut that doesn't either 1) explode the deficit or 2) raise taxes on everyone but the wealthy effectively by closing off tax expenditures (I.E mortgage interest deduction) that would hit the middle class really hard (far outweighing the benefits of a 20% income tax cut for a given bracket).

He refused to answer, saying they will talk about it only after the election.

Look for this line of questioning to pick up steam big time as it has backed them into a corner because there is no way to make the math work in a way that doesn't lead to the 2 alternatives laid out above.

Just wanted to throw in Romney visited my hometown of 409 people today. B-town represent!

jhay78;1246549 wrote:
Paul Ryan knows how to read a pie chart and see what the largest drivers of US debt are. And they ain't the military or the wars . . .

I doubt the man can even read a pie chart. And anyone....and I mean anyone that doesn't understand the military bloat...and it's consequences, is no fiscal hawk....at all.

Real tea party people have had it with neoconservatism. Romney and Ryan represent the insanity thinking of the pro world dominance mantra.

You people that think otherwise have no right to complain about the national debt...ever.

I hope and pray Romney gets elected. Gonna pop my popcorn, kick off my shoes, and LMAO as the economy continues down the shitter. Can't wait to pay 6 bucks a gallon for gas, as the R and R boys light up the middle east with a few more invasions.

Social Security, Medicaid, Medicare will be solved by the R's? LMFAO.

fish82;1246685 wrote:Yeah, Jared Bernstein is fraught with insight. :rolleyes:

believer;1246929 wrote:lol You beat me to it!

The simple fact is that the $700 billion taken from Medicare by the ACA is not taken from any benefits to seniors. The money is used to give them additional benefits, such as wellness exams, cancer screenings, etc. and to help shrink the doughnut hole created by Part B. Romney/Ryan takes the $700 billion and uses it to offset the huge tax breaks he and Romney are promising. All of those benefits I outlined go away under Romney/Ryan. Once the voucher system kicks in, the amount of the voucher is used to offset the cost of health care coverage, which may or may not even cover those things.

You know, you can keep on spreading the right-wing lies about the $700 billion but it's my guess that most in that 45-54 age group are shitting their pants right about now, knowing that they may never be able to retire because of this.

QuakerOats;1246712 wrote:http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10000872396390444318104577585690172683560.html

"Mr. Ryan's achievement has been to confront the greatest domestic political challenge of our time—the unaffordability of the entitlement state—and move a tangible and pragmatic solution to the center of the national debate."

and for that he is villified by the hysterical Left.

Or perhaps taken-to-task by Ronald Reagan's budget director.

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/08/14/opinion/paul-ryans-fairy-tale-budget-plan.html

Careful with the Stockman quotes, Boat. The righties here don't consider him one of them anymore, therefore he is not to be believed.

stlouiedipalma;1247127 wrote:The simple fact is that the $700 billion taken from Medicare by the ACA is not taken from any benefits to seniors. The money is used to give them additional benefits, such as wellness exams, cancer screenings, etc. and to help shrink the doughnut hole created by Part B. Romney/Ryan takes the $700 billion and uses it to offset the huge tax breaks he and Romney are promising. All of those benefits I outlined go away under Romney/Ryan. Once the voucher system kicks in, the amount of the voucher is used to offset the cost of health care coverage, which may or may not even cover those things.

You know, you can keep on spreading the right-wing lies about the $700 billion but it's my guess that most in that 45-54 age group are shitting their pants right about now, knowing that they may never be able to retire because of this.

Couldn't have said it better myself LoL. This is truly a sight to see. The affordable care act achieves savings from payments to hospitals, drug companies, etc. making Medicare more efficient (and it's already more efficient tahn private insurance). Yet, Republicans are complaining when their plan will put, on average, an additional $6,500 of medical costs on seniors without any evidence that these private insurers will be more efficient according to the CBO.

The fact that they're actually going to argue that Obama "cuts medicare" when they completely want to eliminate it and pass those costs onto seniors is amazing to see.

stlouiedipalma;1247136 wrote:Careful with the Stockman quotes, Boat. The righties here don't consider him one of them anymore, therefore he is not to be believed.

My mistake lol. I was unaware of his pariah status. Another former reliable conservative who simply isn't a "true conservative" I suppose.