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MontyBrunswick
Jun 19, 2012 1:04pm
If it's not Apple I don't want it because this runs Windows it'll probably get viruses. I've had my Mac for years and no problems but my PC has nothing but problems like 2 viruses every few months FUCK DELL!!!!!!!!!!
TedSheckler
Posts: 3,974
Jun 19, 2012 1:34pm
Yup. It was Dell's fault.dlazz;1204608 wrote:viruses every few months **** DELL!!!!!!!!!!
hoops23
Posts: 15,696
Jun 19, 2012 3:11pm
dlazz;1204608 wrote:If it's not Apple I don't want it because this runs Windows it'll probably get viruses. I've had my Mac for years and no problems but my PC has nothing but problems like 2 viruses every few months FUCK DELL!!!!!!!!!!
lulzTedSheckler;1204642 wrote:Yup. It was Dell's fault.
ernest_t_bass
Posts: 24,984
Jun 19, 2012 5:50pm
sleeper
Posts: 27,879
Jun 19, 2012 6:02pm
One word: Marketing. Apple is not a great technology company, it's a great marketing company.ernest_t_bass;1204965 wrote:
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Jawbreaker
Posts: 520
Jun 19, 2012 10:28pm
I understand you don't like Apple but they are a great technology company and they happen to have an even better marketing department. Could they be overpriced on some of their products? The market seems to think not. They make wonderful hardware and good software. For me, I can't stand the smugness.sleeper;1204974 wrote:One word: Marketing. Apple is not a great technology company, it's a great marketing company.
sleeper
Posts: 27,879
Jun 19, 2012 10:40pm
Sorry but no. Apple computers aren't better than their counterparts. You pay more for less power; that's called marketing.Jawbreaker;1205329 wrote:I understand you don't like Apple but they are a great technology company and they happen to have an even better marketing department. Could they be overpriced on some of their products? The market seems to think not. They make wonderful hardware and good software. For me, I can't stand the smugness.
hoops23
Posts: 15,696
Jun 20, 2012 1:33am
Sleeper, you obviously don't understand specs. Apple computers are powerful enough because the software is designed for the hardware. That's not the case with Windows machines. You have several different manufacturers making computers with several different versions of Windows on the market.sleeper;1205383 wrote:Sorry but no. Apple computers aren't better than their counterparts. You pay more for less power; that's called marketing.
It's the reason why a less powerful MacBook can play a game like Diablo 3 or run high end photo/video editing software better than a PC that is slightly better spec wise.
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WebFire
Posts: 14,779
Jun 20, 2012 2:06pm
Bullshit. My Mac users at work are always screaming for more RAM.hoops23;1205880 wrote:Sleeper, you obviously don't understand specs. Apple computers are powerful enough because the software is designed for the hardware. That's not the case with Windows machines. You have several different manufacturers making computers with several different versions of Windows on the market.
It's the reason why a less powerful MacBook can play a game like Diablo 3 or run high end photo/video editing software better than a PC that is slightly better spec wise.
sleeper
Posts: 27,879
Jun 20, 2012 2:14pm
You clearly have never used both a MAC and a PC. The PC does everything the MAC does and is cheaper. The Mac looks cooler though, I guess it has that going for it.hoops23;1205880 wrote:Sleeper, you obviously don't understand specs. Apple computers are powerful enough because the software is designed for the hardware. That's not the case with Windows machines. You have several different manufacturers making computers with several different versions of Windows on the market.
It's the reason why a less powerful MacBook can play a game like Diablo 3 or run high end photo/video editing software better than a PC that is slightly better spec wise.
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gut
Posts: 15,058
Jun 20, 2012 2:54pm
People pay Apple a premium for their huge marketing budget, which helps to reinforce their decision to pay more for less. Kind of a nice symbiotic relationship.
On the IPad's and IPhone's, they are still as high-end as Android at the time of launch, but because they only launch once a year they fall behind over the course of the next 12 months. But as those markets become commoditized, they'll continue to get a premium because people get entrenched and it becomes too costly to switch. The Android mfrs don't have that luxury because people can so easily switch to another Android device and take all their apps with them.
And all of that is fine with Apple. They don't really want or expect to capture most of a commoditized market, but just the top 25% or so that will pay their premium.
On the IPad's and IPhone's, they are still as high-end as Android at the time of launch, but because they only launch once a year they fall behind over the course of the next 12 months. But as those markets become commoditized, they'll continue to get a premium because people get entrenched and it becomes too costly to switch. The Android mfrs don't have that luxury because people can so easily switch to another Android device and take all their apps with them.
And all of that is fine with Apple. They don't really want or expect to capture most of a commoditized market, but just the top 25% or so that will pay their premium.
justincredible
Posts: 32,056
Jun 20, 2012 2:58pm
Oh boy, another mac vs pc debate.
justincredible
Posts: 32,056
Jun 20, 2012 3:00pm
The bottom line, for both sides, is that if you have a superiority complex based on the platform you use you are a complete douche. It's a computer. Who gives a shit?
Automatik
Posts: 14,632
Jun 20, 2012 3:00pm
I understand you're trolling, but you clearly don't know what you're talking about. When I was pricing laptops I built a ThinkPad with the same specs at the i7 MBP. They were within $100 of each other and both very solid machines.sleeper;1206315 wrote:You clearly have never used both a MAC and a PC. The PC does everything the MAC does and is cheaper. The Mac looks cooler though, I guess it has that going for it.
This is coming from a Mac AND PC user....yes they exist.
As for the OP. The MS tablet has potential, especially with the ability to integrate with desktop software. For their sake, lets hope it fares better than the Zune.
hoops23
Posts: 15,696
Jun 20, 2012 4:09pm
Lol yea, ok. If that's the case, why don't they buy more fucking ram?WebFire;1206308 wrote:Bullshit. My Mac users at work are always screaming for more RAM.
You think PC users don't "scream for RAM?"
Not biased towards one product or the other. I use both
sleeper
Posts: 27,879
Jun 20, 2012 4:20pm
I say this all the time on here and get labeled a troll. It's so true though.gut;1206362 wrote:People pay Apple a premium for their huge marketing budget, which helps to reinforce their decision to pay more for less. Kind of a nice symbiotic relationship.
Automatik
Posts: 14,632
Jun 20, 2012 4:27pm
Pay more by how much? Like I said, the pricing gap isn't very large. It's a common misconception. I'm surprised you didn't already know that.sleeper;1206481 wrote:I say this all the time on here and get labeled a troll. It's so true though.
I'm basing this solely on laptops though. No one really gives a shit about desktops anymore.
sleeper
Posts: 27,879
Jun 20, 2012 4:35pm
New MBPAutomatik;1206486 wrote:Pay more by how much? Like I said, the pricing gap isn't very large. It's a common misconception. I'm surprised you didn't already know that.
I'm basing this solely on laptops though. No one really gives a shit about desktops anymore.
15 inch display
2.6 ghz i7 quad core processor
8gb ram
750gb HD
Price: $2,199
New Dell Inspiron
15 inch display
3.1 ghz i7 quad core processor
8gb ram
1 TB HD
Price: $1,099
So, how does that feel to be ruined? $1,100 price difference, no big deal. :rolleyes:
Automatik
Posts: 14,632
Jun 20, 2012 4:39pm
lol...you're comparing that to a DELL.
The new MBP is high that's for damn sure.
Compare the regular MBP line to a loaded Asus or thinkpad. Then try the Zenbooks w/ the Air models. The difference isn't much.
The new MBP is high that's for damn sure.
Compare the regular MBP line to a loaded Asus or thinkpad. Then try the Zenbooks w/ the Air models. The difference isn't much.
wes_mantooth
Posts: 17,977
Jun 20, 2012 4:40pm
Automatik;1206370 wrote:I understand you're trolling, but you clearly don't know what you're talking about. When I was pricing laptops I built a ThinkPad with the same specs at the i7 MBP. They were within $100 of each other and both very solid machines.
This is coming from a Mac AND PC user....yes they exist.
As for the OP. The MS tablet has potential, especially with the ability to integrate with desktop software. For their sake, lets hope it fares better than the Zune.
The zune was a major flop....overpriced junk.
Automatik
Posts: 14,632
Jun 20, 2012 4:42pm
I know....I had one.wes_mantooth;1206508 wrote:The zune was a major flop....overpriced junk.
It served its purpose at the time though. I liked the software.
wes_mantooth
Posts: 17,977
Jun 20, 2012 4:43pm
Automatik;1206486 wrote:Pay more by how much? Like I said, the pricing gap isn't very large. It's a common misconception. I'm surprised you didn't already know that.
I'm basing this solely on laptops though. No one really gives a shit about desktops anymore.
The problem is....Mac doesn't have an every level computer. You can get PCs all over the place with i5 processors for 500.....Mac doesn't have cheap builds.
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WebFire
Posts: 14,779
Jun 20, 2012 4:43pm
We do buy them more RAM. And yes, PC users do too. My point is Mac hardware isn't superior as you claim.hoops23;1206466 wrote:Lol yea, ok. If that's the case, why don't they buy more fucking ram?
You think PC users don't "scream for RAM?"
Not biased towards one product or the other. I use both
wes_mantooth
Posts: 17,977
Jun 20, 2012 4:46pm
Automatik;1206510 wrote:I know....I had one.
I was worried about the formats it accepted so I went with a creative zen instead. Lol....media players are long gone now
Automatik
Posts: 14,632
Jun 20, 2012 4:46pm
You're right, but that's not their style. Same with the phones, 3 versions of the same phone, annual release, still killin it.wes_mantooth;1206511 wrote:The problem is....Mac doesn't have an every level computer. You can get PCs all over the place with i5 processors for 500.....Mac doesn't have cheap builds.
I agree though, 2k+ for a laptop is insane.
There was a time when the build quality between Mac laptops and PCs wasn't too close, besides Lenovo IMO. If you haven't figured it out I love thinkpads.
But lately they the competition has stepped it up with better cases, hardware, etc. Asus is another brand that makes nice stuff. Even though they have gotten better, I still won't give props to Dell. F that company.