justincredible
Posts: 32,056
Jun 12, 2012 7:58pm
Boom. Our pitcher scored. 
justincredible
Posts: 32,056
Jun 12, 2012 7:59pm
It's never a wrong play for the pitcher. For a positional player, sure, I hate the sac bunt before the 7th or 8th inning.Laley23;1197192 wrote:That does nothing for me. I am angered when teams sacrifice. Giving up an out, when the odds say its the wrong play. So stupid.
Midstate01
Posts: 14,766
Jun 12, 2012 7:59pm
sherm03;1197193 wrote:And is also one of the best at laying down a SAC bunt.
There's just so much more that goes into the strategy of the game when you have a pitcher batting. When you go by playground rules and have an "all-time hitter," it takes all that strategy out.
Strategy! Key word. Very little of that in the AL.
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mhs95_06
Posts: 8,167
Jun 12, 2012 7:59pm
Santana got too excited when he saw he had a good chance for a pick-off!
sherm03
Posts: 7,349
Jun 12, 2012 7:59pm
Easy Billy Beane. That thought process is correct in the AL...with a DH. With the pitcher batting, those odds are different. You are giving up one out, instead of getting two (since statistically speaking a pitcher is more likely to GIDP).Laley23;1197192 wrote:That does nothing for me. I am angered when teams sacrifice. Giving up an out, when the odds say its the wrong play. So stupid.
hoops23
Posts: 15,696
Jun 12, 2012 7:59pm
lol.. strategy. Right.
se-alum
Posts: 13,948
Jun 12, 2012 8:00pm
I like the pitcher hitting because it imparts alot more strategy into the game.
Laley23
Posts: 29,506
Jun 12, 2012 8:00pm
Exaclty my point though. Pitchers suck at hitting. Why be stuck in the past. Shit is changed in sports all the time to better the product. Why is baseball so slow at doing it (for everything, replay, etc).justincredible;1197199 wrote:It's never a wrong play for the pitcher. For a positional player, sure, I hate the sac bunt before the 7th or 8th inning.
hoops23
Posts: 15,696
Jun 12, 2012 8:01pm
Because of tradition!Laley23;1197207 wrote:Exaclty my point though. Pitchers suck at hitting. Why be stuck in the past. Shit is changed in sports all the time to better the product. Why is baseball so slow at doing it (for everything, replay, etc).
So stupid to have two leagues with different rules. Makes no sense.
Laley23
Posts: 29,506
Jun 12, 2012 8:01pm
Right. So why not just get rid of the pitcher hitting, since they all pretty much suck.sherm03;1197203 wrote:Easy Billy Beane. That thought process is correct in the AL...with a DH. With the pitcher batting, those odds are different. You are giving up one out, instead of getting two (since statistically speaking a pitcher is more likely to GIDP).
hoops23
Posts: 15,696
Jun 12, 2012 8:02pm
What strategy? Planning around automatic outs? Giving up outs for bunts? It's horrible to watch.se-alum;1197205 wrote:I like the pitcher hitting because it imparts alot more strategy into the game.
sherm03
Posts: 7,349
Jun 12, 2012 8:03pm
hoops23;1197204 wrote:lol.. strategy. Right.
So you are saying that you do NOT have to have a much different strategy when a pitcher is batting? Well, that is the complete opposite of what the entire baseball world would agree with. But I guess I'll just take your word for it.
I can understand that point. But while most pitchers are terrible at the plate, it makes the game much more interesting in later innings when you have to decide whether to let a guy hit or pull him, how to manage double switches, etc.Laley23;1197207 wrote:Exaclty my point though. Pitchers suck at hitting. Why be stuck in the past. Shit is changed in sports all the time to better the product. Why is baseball so slow at doing it (for everything, replay, etc).
se-alum
Posts: 13,948
Jun 12, 2012 8:04pm
Really? It plays a huge part in picking pinch hitters and who you call out of the bullpen. Whether you like it or not, to act like it doesn't change strategies greatly is just wrong.hoops23;1197213 wrote:What strategy? Planning around automatic outs? Giving up outs for bunts? It's horrible to watch.
hoops23
Posts: 15,696
Jun 12, 2012 8:06pm
Situational pitching exists in the AL. You still choose who to come out of the bullpen against certain guys.se-alum;1197216 wrote:Really? It plays a huge part in picking pinch hitters and who you call out of the bullpen. Whether you like it or not, to act like it doesn't change strategies greatly is just wrong.
Hell, I could say the DH creates strategy on the basepaths late in games in the AL. How often does Hafner get on base to be yanked for a pinch runner? What's the difference?
Laley23
Posts: 29,506
Jun 12, 2012 8:07pm
I was just getting ready to post that actually. The strategic part comes into play with double switches and pulling your pitcher in a close game. I just dont like it. I think it sucks that your pitcher has to be pulled hen he is throwing a gem.sherm03;1197215 wrote: I can understand that point. But while most pitchers are terrible at the plate, it makes the game much more interesting in later innings when you have to decide whether to let a guy hit or pull him, how to manage double switches, etc.
The sac bunts pitchers lay down though =/= strategy. Its moving a runner up, thats not necessarily strategy.
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mhs95_06
Posts: 8,167
Jun 12, 2012 8:08pm
Depends on who is batting and who is coming up. For instance, a very good reason for BP to be the lead-off hitter is that so many times the P can sac in front of him so 1B will be vacant to neutralize his propensity to ground into DPs.Laley23;1197192 wrote:That does nothing for me. I am angered when teams sacrifice. Giving up an out, when the odds say its the wrong play. So stupid.
hoops23
Posts: 15,696
Jun 12, 2012 8:09pm
The NL is the only league without a DH to my knowledge. Little League, HS, College, MiLB, all have DH.sherm03;1197215 wrote:So you are saying that you do NOT have to have a much different strategy when a pitcher is batting? Well, that is the complete opposite of what the entire baseball world would agree with. But I guess I'll just take your word for it.
This isn't the 1930's. I want to see the best hitters available hitting.
You got your slugging DH up in the 9th with the bases loaded in a tie game... There's no strategy in how the other team approaches that?
Let's say you have the pitcher up int he same scenario, instead you send a PH batting .210 to the plate. Exciting.
BRF
Posts: 8,748
Jun 12, 2012 8:10pm
I agree with the OC Reds guys on the DH. I am old school.
Now I will become even MORE irrelevant on the Tribe threads.
Now I will become even MORE irrelevant on the Tribe threads.
Midstate01
Posts: 14,766
Jun 12, 2012 8:10pm
The AL is retarded. Now back to the game.
Cueto is rolling since the first.
Cueto is rolling since the first.
hoops23
Posts: 15,696
Jun 12, 2012 8:11pm
The forward pass and 3 point line suck as well!
/DH antagonists
/DH antagonists
hoops23
Posts: 15,696
Jun 12, 2012 8:11pm
AL > NLMidstate01;1197227 wrote:The AL is retarded. Now back to the game.
Cueto is rolling since the first.
Midstate01
Posts: 14,766
Jun 12, 2012 8:11pm
So do series threads.
hoops23
Posts: 15,696
Jun 12, 2012 8:12pm
It's ok, I'm sure you're about to watch the Heat game anyway!Midstate01;1197231 wrote:So do series threads.
Midstate01
Posts: 14,766
Jun 12, 2012 8:13pm
hoops23;1197230 wrote:AL > NL
Oh ok. Thanks
Rangers scored 100000000 runs last year. Lost to the cards in the world series
Nl>al
Midstate01
Posts: 14,766
Jun 12, 2012 8:13pm
hoops23;1197232 wrote:It's ok, I'm sure you're about to watch the Heat game anyway!
Huh? I'm confused?