HitsRus;1197706 wrote:Yep. That was 2 years ago. I was still seething over the Lee and Martinez trades. The team was in last or barely keeping pace with the Royals. I think objectively that you have to admit that the circumstances have changed. I still am critical of the organization and it's unwillingness to do/spend what is necessary to bring a winner. I still think that Dolan needs to pull the trigger( and take some risk) on deals that could make this franchise better. But as wedge alluded to in an earlier post, we were Indians fans back in the 60's 70's and 80's....and compared to then, this is a team to get a bit excited about.

Do I think the owner could do more? hell yes. Is the front office doing pretty good considering the resources it has? hell yes. I am disappointed that the fans have abandoned this organization., I am disappointed that corporate/business support has dwindled. I'm just disappointed that '455' really doesn't mean much anymore. All of this is just a vicious negative cycle.

The owner needs to show that he is committed to putting a winning product out there...and the fans needs to show they support it when he does.

HitsRus;1198511 wrote:I'm not going to lay that fiasco entirely on the front office. They were told to dump salary and get the best deals they could, and that is on the owner. At the time of the CC deal, it wasn't all that bad on paper...LaPorta being the #1 prospect in the Brewers organization, and Brantley being a pretty good one too. The jury is still out on that one...Brantley has turned into a pretty servicable and solid player. La Porta may still develop. What do the Brew crew have to show for 'rent a pitcher'? ZIP.

The Lee trade is another story...and a sad one at that. But the question remains, ...how long are we going hold it against them?....how long should we throw a hissy fit?

HitsRus;1198511 wrote:I'm not going to lay that fiasco entirely on the front office. They were told to dump salary and get the best deals they could, and that is on the owner. At the time of the CC deal, it wasn't all that bad on paper...LaPorta being the #1 prospect in the Brewers organization, and Brantley being a pretty good one too. The jury is still out on that one...Brantley has turned into a pretty servicable and solid player. La Porta may still develop. What do the Brew crew have to show for 'rent a pitcher'? ZIP.

The Lee trade is another story...and a sad one at that. But the question remains, ...how long are we going hold it against them?....how long should we throw a hissy fit?

Laley23;1198528 wrote:Something we have ONE of as well.

lhslep134;1198565 wrote:No we don't, we have no playoff appearances since trading CC.

As for the Lee trade, jury's out on Carrasco because of the injury, I'm just furious the Phils wouldn't give us Drabek then turn around and give him up for Halladay. We should have held out for Drabek.

Laley23;1198573 wrote:When did I saw since trading CC? This whole conversation is about since the attendance has fallen. We have 1 playoff appearance since then.

Con_Alma;1198883 wrote:There was no way CC was going to be an Indian after that year. It's not like the front office had options.

Mulva;1199094 wrote:They traded him a month before the deadline. They had the option of not panicking and making teams bid against each other to raise the asking price, like a savvy front office would have.