jordo212000 wrote:

thedynasty1998 wrote: Let me get this right, you think Homan, Rolle and Saine are "probably gone"? I think you probably should think before you post.

Stranger things have happened. Players leave all the time that shouldn't.

Ex: Ahmad Bradshaw from Marshall, Nate Davis from Ball State, Brian Hartline IMO, the list goes on

Ashton Youboty is the first name that comes to mind for me.

That's a good name. Although for some reason the NFL always seemed high on him. The think with Saine and Homan is that they are Ohio kids who grew up OSU fans and seem like humble people. That's why I don't have any doubts of them returning. Although if the NFL does come back and say they are a top 3 round pick, they might have something to think about.

Rolle is a Florida guy, so if anyone would be the shocker to leave I think it would be him. Although I don't think the NFL will be high on him due to his height.

thedynasty1998 wrote: That's a good name. Although for some reason the NFL always seemed high on him. The think with Saine and Homan is that they are Ohio kids who grew up OSU fans and seem like humble people. That's why I don't have any doubts of them returning. Although if the NFL does come back and say they are a top 3 round pick, they might have something to think about.

Rolle is a Florida guy, so if anyone would be the shocker to leave I think it would be him. Although I don't think the NFL will be high on him due to his height.

Yeah, from what I remember, Youboty was actually projected to be a late first rounder / early 2nd rounder when he actually withdrew from school... then idk if he had a bad combine or what but he ended up slipping all the way to the third round on draft day and hasn't really shown much in the NFL since.

Its sad that Rolle's height is going to be held against him. Dude can play some football.

Yeah I almost put Youboty down.

Bradshaw is good NFL RB who is making peanuts because he is a 7th rounder. Surely he could have improved that stock.

Nate Davis could have used another year of seasoning. To think that he could have not have improved his stock is silly.

Hartline may have been ready to move on, but you probably shouldn't leave early if you are going to be a 5th rounder

Gibson will be gone. He will run a 4.5-4.6 at the combine and be a mid-late first rounder at OLB.
Heyward will be gone. He will play DE in the 3-4 or DT in the 4-3.
I have no idea what Homan will run in the 40. If he is 4.5-4.6, he is gone. More than that he stays.
Rolle is 50/50. Depends on what they think of his size.
Boren is gone.
Chekwa sucks, but may have the measurables to be picked in the first three rounds.
Browning is a joke.
So is Saine.
Torrence needs another year at CB.
Sanzenbacher needs a fast 40 to even consider it.

^ They don't get to go to the combine and then decide if they are in or not. So your points about their 40 times are irrelavent.

Gibson - Like I said before will be gone because of money.
Heyward- May be able to improve stock by staying. Doesn't really want to go, but could if he gets very good news back from NFL.
Homan- Will stay... probably just wondering what he needs to work on. Can improve stock dramtically.
Rolle - See Homan
Boren- Can improve stock by staying, if he gets really good news back could go.
Checkwa - I think he stays, but this is a kid that could bolt early because of money, whether or not he gets good news.
Browning, Torrence, Saine, Sanz - See homan.

OneBuckeye wrote: ^ They don't get to go to the combine and then decide if they are in or not. So your points about their 40 times are irrelavent.

Gibson - Like I said before will be gone because of money.
Heyward- May be able to improve stock by staying. Doesn't really want to go, but could if he gets very good news back from NFL.
Homan- Will stay... probably just wondering what he needs to work on. Can improve stock dramtically.
Rolle - See Homan
Boren- Can improve stock by staying, if he gets really good news back could go.
Checkwa - I think he stays, but this is a kid that could bolt early because of money, whether or not he gets good news.
Browning, Torrence, Saine, Sanz - See homan.

so basically you think everyone is coming back lol

Cleveland Buck wrote: Gibson will be gone. He will run a 4.5-4.6 at the combine and be a mid-late first rounder at OLB.
Heyward will be gone. He will play DE in the 3-4 or DT in the 4-3.
I have no idea what Homan will run in the 40. If he is 4.5-4.6, he is gone. More than that he stays.
Rolle is 50/50. Depends on what they think of his size.
Boren is gone.
Chekwa sucks, but may have the measurables to be picked in the first three rounds.
Browning is a joke.
So is Saine.
Torrence needs another year at CB.
Sanzenbacher needs a fast 40 to even consider it.

And when are they going to run these official 40 times?

grass_licker wrote:

OneBuckeye wrote: ^ They don't get to go to the combine and then decide if they are in or not. So your points about their 40 times are irrelavent.

Gibson - Like I said before will be gone because of money.
Heyward- May be able to improve stock by staying. Doesn't really want to go, but could if he gets very good news back from NFL.
Homan- Will stay... probably just wondering what he needs to work on. Can improve stock dramtically.
Rolle - See Homan
Boren- Can improve stock by staying, if he gets really good news back could go.
Checkwa - I think he stays, but this is a kid that could bolt early because of money, whether or not he gets good news.
Browning, Torrence, Saine, Sanz - See homan.

so basically you think everyone is coming back lol

Yeah, everyone except for gibson. Heyward i would think is 75% go 25% stay IMO. Not sure what is so funny.

Like I said earlier, the only guys I could see leaving are Gibson/Heyward/Boren and then possibly Chekwa out of just plain stupidity.

The rest will stay easily.

I hope Browning goes, I'm sick of watching him not block anyone the entire game, how can a turd like this start for a team like OSU for 3 years? I think Heyward is the best prospect with Boren next. Gibson is a great athlete but is a tweener and will definitely have to learn a new position at the next level. Homan should stay another year, He would get drafted but I agree with the guy who said not before the 3rd round. The 2 corners would be good riddance, they are the weak links on an otherwise great defense. But I also agree that it doesn't hurt to inquire about your draft status as a junior.

0311sdp wrote: I hope Browning goes, I'm sick of watching him not block anyone the entire game, how can a turd like this start for a team like OSU for 3 years? I think Heyward is the best prospect with Boren next. Gibson is a great athlete but is a tweener and will definitely have to learn a new position at the next level. Homan should stay another year, He would get drafted but I agree with the guy who said not before the 3rd round. The 2 corners would be good riddance, they are the weak links on an otherwise great defense. But I also agree that it doesn't hurt to inquire about your draft status as a junior.

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devil1197 wrote: Like I said earlier, the only guys I could see leaving are Gibson/Heyward/Boren and then possibly Chekwa out of just plain stupidity.

The rest will stay easily.

This, for some reason I think Checkwa is going to pull a Youboty and Washington

I think they should all stay. I believe all of them can improve their draft stock. A lot depends on the rookie pay scale though.

^Agreed. But I'm not sure many, if any, would go high enough to be REALLY affected by it anyways. Plus, who knows if the rookie pay scale will even go into effect--especially by the time these guys make their choice.

It can only help if your stock improves, whether its by 2 rounds or 2 picks. I think a few of them can help their stocks big time. I think Heyward will be the highest pick. A few people see Heyward as a top 10, but not many people. From what I've seen/heard, most think he's mid-late 1st. I think with a strong SR year, maybe a championship, he can get himself into that top 5 talk. The difference between #9 and #19 is usually a shitload for the same position. Gibson can help himself the most. I don't see him as a first rounder quite yet. But if Gholston can go top 10, I see Gibson's ceiling be around there. Homan was a beast 2nd part of the season, so if he can do that next year, I think he can move up a full round. Same with Rolle and Checkwa.

^Agreed. They should all stay, I certainly agree with that. They can all increase their stock--and cap or not, they'll still get paid more. If they go now, their contracts won't be as high where they're picked as they would be in the 1st round with the cap anyways. Heyward is definitely going to be the highest pick, I could see Gibson MAYBE jumping him but if he does it will be purely because of potential--you don't find that build in too many players. But Heyward is certainly the best of them, some people want to debate this--IMO, it's not really even debatable.

Nah. Gibson is overrated IMO. He's got some weaknesses in his game that most OSU fans ignore/don't notice, but scouts are all over it. I think Heyward is too. Actually, I think he's just overhyped by the locals. Don't get me wrong, Heyward is a great player. But a lot of OSU fans think he's worthy of all-american status. There's a handful of other DE's I'd take before him. But this is just one guys opinion.

Heyward plays all over the line too--so he doesn't get comfortable and stand out in one spot. He's not worthy of AA status this year--too many great defensive linemen but next year he might. No matter when you make it, it's still saying a lot about you.

He's got a bright future. I think he has the tools to play DE in the 3-4, or DE/DT in the 4-3. He's gonna be rich whenever he decides to.

There isn't a 1st round draft choice THIS year in the the whole group.

Thaddeus - 75/25 chance he's leaving
Cameron Heyward - 75/25 chance he's leaving
Ross Homan- 25/75 chance he's leaving- Too raw, wouldn't even get drafted.
Brian Rolle- 25/75- Size issues, lack of NFL form tackling ability, wouldn't get drafted.
Chekwa- 25/75- He's terrible.
Devon Torrence- 25/75- Inexperienced.
Brandon Saine- 25/75- Injury prone, lack of production.
Dane Sanzenbacher- 25/75- Would be a 6th rounder at best.
Bryant Browning- 0 %- He's absolutely terrible.
Justin Boren- 75/25- Great size and motor, has a good chance to be a 3rd-4th round pick and get developed.

I think that Rolle because of his speed would get drafted despite the flaws in his game that you've pointed out, Homan would get drafted but not an early round pick maybe 5-6th round. Hayward in my opinion is a can't miss prospect again because of his size and speed and he can play all d-line positions, Gibson is a project but none the less a great athelte. Chekwa and Torrence I agree don't get drafted (dime a dozen corners) Boren is a sure thing and Browning what a joke. Saine and Sanzenbacher would not be drafted but if they play another year in college could get to be middle rounders.

Every single one of those guys will be drafted when the time comes.

Agreed jpake.