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isadore;1204748 wrote:Gosh a ruddies, if dogs are a subspecies of grey wolves, then they are part of the wolf species.
They are wolves. They have the characteristic of pack animals. Pack hunters search out the weak to kill. The characteristics to be a successful killer were in particular bred into the pit bull as can be seen by its success in killing weak humans.

O-Trap;1204779 wrote:Read here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gray_Wolf#Subspecies

"Since 2005, 37 subspecies of wolf are recognised, including the red wolf and not including two Canis lupus subspecies: Canis lupus dingo and Canis lupus familiaris."

Domestic breed dogs are Canis lupus familiaris. Hence, they are NOT wolves, as the classification wolf is a number of subspecies within the Canis lupus species that does NOT include Canis lupus familiaris.



Nope. Just a close relative.



They have SOME remnant characteristics of pack animals, yes.



Not unless hunting food. It helps with success rate.



And the completely fabricated conclusion, stemming from your unquestioned paranoia. I'm sorry you're so paranoid. Hopefully, you can one day trust knowledge, facts, and logic like so many in the rest of the population.

as the site you cited says;
"Studies on the genetic distance for mitochondrial DNA on dogs and Eurasian wolves confirmed that wolves are the exclusive ancestral species to dogs."
so you can play little word games but in fact dogs are completely descended from wolves, they are wolves. They are descended exclusively from pack hunting carnivores that look for the weakest prey to attack and kill. The pit bull has retained the most of this instinct, it will more weak humans than any other species.

isadore;1204916 wrote:as the site you cited says;
"Studies on the genetic distance for mitochondrial DNA on dogs and Eurasian wolves confirmed that wolves are the exclusive ancestral species to dogs."

Judging from what is to come, you missed that little word: ANCESTRAL.

They WERE basically wolves. They, dingos, and modern wolves all have a common ANCESTOR, but it doesn't make them the same any more than I am my brother.

isadore;1204916 wrote:so you can play little word games but in fact dogs are completely descended from wolves, they are wolves.

Actually, it's more like a science game ... as in, what does science tell us? Science tells us they are related. You're equating "related" with "the same." Who's playing word games again?

isadore;1204916 wrote:They are descended exclusively from pack hunting carnivores that look for the weakest prey to attack and kill.

Interesting that you chose the word "attack." Did you know that pit bulls aren't even in the top five most frequent reported "attack" dogs annually? That they account for a mere 2% of reported dog attacks annually. Or did we cover that already?

Also, and I don't believe you've addressed this yet, but did you know that when wolves hunt and root out the weakest, they eat it? It's as if ... they're hunting for food and not out of unprovoked malice! How revolutionary!

isadore;1204916 wrote:The pit bull has retained the most of this instinct, it will more weak humans than any other species.

It's not a species at all, or even a subspecies. As such, it is dynamically closer to every other domesticated dog than any modern wolf is.

Moreover, you again spout a nominal, unrelated fact to try (unsuccessfully) to justify your irrational fear. Perhaps someday you will decide to embrace logic and rational thinking. It will be a good day when that day comes.

isadore;1204916 wrote:
as the site you cited says;
"Studies on the genetic distance for mitochondrial DNA on dogs and Eurasian wolves confirmed that wolves are the exclusive ancestral species to dogs."
so you can play little word games but in fact dogs are completely descended from wolves, they are wolves. They are descended exclusively from pack hunting carnivores that look for the weakest prey to attack and kill. The pit bull has retained the most of this instinct, it will more weak humans than any other species.

gosh a ruddies. Every dog must have an instinct to kill weak humans. Why should we allow any dogs at all?

O-Trap;1204952 wrote:Judging from what is to come, you missed that little word: ANCESTRAL.

They WERE basically wolves. They, dingos, and modern wolves all have a common ANCESTOR, but it doesn't make them the same any more than I am my brother.



Actually, it's more like a science game ... as in, what does science tell us? Science tells us they are related. You're equating "related" with "the same." Who's playing word games again?



Interesting that you chose the word "attack." Did you know that pit bulls aren't even in the top five most frequent reported "attack" dogs annually? That they account for a mere 2% of reported dog attacks annually. Or did we cover that already?

Also, and I don't believe you've addressed this yet, but did you know that when wolves hunt and root out the weakest, they eat it? It's as if ... they're hunting for food and not out of unprovoked malice! How revolutionary!



It's not a species at all, or even a subspecies. As such, it is dynamically closer to every other domesticated dog than any modern wolf is.

Moreover, you again spout a nominal, unrelated fact to try (unsuccessfully) to justify your irrational fear. Perhaps someday you will decide to embrace logic and rational thinking. It will be a good day when that day comes.

Gosh a ruddies.They were, are and will be wolves. Their ancestors are ALL wolves
(wolves are the exclusive ancestral species to dogs.") No other species dna has been introduced into the canine lupus familiaris. Dingoes, dogs and modern wolves are all wolves. They are all pack hunting carnivores, they are all the same species. As all humans are the same species no matter what label you want to put on them, no matter how different they look.

Pit bulls are the most successful at the deadly attack. When they attack they are more likely to be successful. Killing the prey is the goal of a carnivore’s attack. They don’t get a chance to eat their kill because humans intervene.

isadore;1204972 wrote:Gosh a ruddies.They were, are and will be wolves. Their ancestors are ALL wolves
(wolves are the exclusive ancestral species to dogs.") No other species dna has been introduced into the canine lupus familiaris. Dingoes, dogs and modern wolves are all wolves. They are all pack hunting carnivores, they are all the same species. As all humans are the same species no matter what label you want to put on them, no matter how different they look.

Wow, I'm sorry. I had no idea I was dealing with someone who has zero idea how evolution, specifically species VARIATION works.

Species variation is caused by the mutation of the DNA within a SINGLE species, producing a characteristic which is environmentally advantageous. Because of its advantage, it allows for the flourishing of those who retain it at a higher level than those who do not. Over the course of time, there exists a whole new kind of animal, similar to the last, but with the new adaptation. As these adaptations continue, the new subspecies continue to be less and less like their ancestral species until they are no longer even genetically capable of producing fruitful offspring ... and then offspring at all ... as they have become a new species. No alternative DNA is needed in the original gene pool (given inter-species procreation difficulties, I'm not sure how you would suggest that to happen anyway ... but then, you're not the highest watt bulb).

Didn't think I'd have to explain that to an adult that I presume has graduated from high school.

isadore;1204972 wrote:Pit bulls are the most successful at the deadly attack.

Fair. Dog attacks being incredibly rare, pit bull attacks being far rarer still, and deaths from pit bull attacks even being a small percentage of that, they still kill at a higher rate. I don't think anyone is disputing that. The term "successful" implies intent, and there has yet to be, that I know of, a successful means for communicating intent between humans and dogs.

But apparently you've got some secret that the scientific community doesn't. You should write a book and make millions.

isadore;1204972 wrote:Killing the prey is the goal of a carnivore’s attack.

Exactly so, as prey is actively hunted for the purpose of eating it, and not for anything else.

isadore;1204972 wrote:They don’t get a chance to eat their kill because humans intervene.

Ah yes. You suggest they kill frequently, but they never get to start eating because the humans who apparently have the ability to intervene didn't do so until someone died, but miraculously got there JUST IN THE NICK OF TIME to keep the dog from eating its prey. Humans apparently are excellent with timing, allowing the exact number of seconds it takes to kill, but not allowing so many as to allow any eating.

In reality, as with all dogs, something provokes an attack, be it in the moment or in environmental conditioning (even Pavlovian, maybe), and the dogs that are bigger and stronger do the most damage, which is exactly why you saw no small dogs in the statistic of the top six most documented dog attacks annually.

I beg of you, give up your infantile (if not amusing) ignorance. Leave your irrational fear behind and embrace logic and reason. You'll feel much better.

O-Trap;1205008 wrote:Wow, I'm sorry. I had no idea I was dealing with someone who has zero idea how evolution, specifically species VARIATION works.

Species variation is caused by the mutation of the DNA within a SINGLE species, producing a characteristic which is environmentally advantageous. Because of its advantage, it allows for the flourishing of those who retain it at a higher level than those who do not. Over the course of time, there exists a whole new kind of animal, similar to the last, but with the new adaptation. As these adaptations continue, the new subspecies continue to be less and less like their ancestral species until they are no longer even genetically capable of producing fruitful offspring ... and then offspring at all ... as they have become a new species. No alternative DNA is needed in the original gene pool (given inter-species procreation difficulties, I'm not sure how you would suggest that to happen anyway ... but then, you're not the highest watt bulb).

Didn't think I'd have to explain that to an adult that I presume has graduated from high school.



Fair. Dog attacks being incredibly rare, pit bull attacks being far rarer still, and deaths from pit bull attacks even being a small percentage of that, they still kill at a higher rate. I don't think anyone is disputing that. The term "successful" implies intent, and there has yet to be, that I know of, a successful means for communicating intent between humans and dogs.

But apparently you've got some secret that the scientific community doesn't. You should write a book and make millions.



Exactly so, as prey is actively hunted for the purpose of eating it, and not for anything else.



Ah yes. You suggest they kill frequently, but they never get to start eating because the humans who apparently have the ability to intervene didn't do so until someone died, but miraculously got there JUST IN THE NICK OF TIME to keep the dog from eating its prey. Humans apparently are excellent with timing, allowing the exact number of seconds it takes to kill, but not allowing so many as to allow any eating.

In reality, as with all dogs, something provokes an attack, be it in the moment or in environmental conditioning (even Pavlovian, maybe), and the dogs that are bigger and stronger do the most damage, which is exactly why you saw no small dogs in the statistic of the top six most documented dog attacks annually.

I beg of you, give up your infantile (if not amusing) ignorance. Leave your irrational fear behind and embrace logic and reason. You'll feel much better.

But gosh a ruddies they have not broken off, they are still part of the wolf species. They are part of a
group of living organisms consisting of similar individuals ( with dingoes and modern wolves) capable of exchanging genes or interbreeding. They continue to have the instincts of their ancestors and the fellow members of the species.

O-Trap wrote:
pit bull attacks being far rarer still, and deaths from pit bull attacks even being a small percentage of that

no they produce a large percentage of the human fatalities.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_fatal_dog_attacks_in_the_United_States
They look for weak prey as wolves do, and then they kill it. They don’t get a chance to eat it because humans intervene. With large prey dogs and other wolves dismember it before eating.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Predation#True_predation
I realize you put your personal needs above the safety of the community. The fact that you would want a killer dog in your home to compensate for some personal shortcomings is both unbelievably self centered and self. Please reconsider, you still can be redeemed.

isadumbass

isadore;1205043 wrote:But gosh a ruddies they have not broken off, they are still part of the wolf species.

They're part of the same species AS wolves, but wolves are a characterization of the majority of the SUBspecies, one of two exceptions being the domesticated dog. Hence, they are the same species, but neither is "the species."

I'll restate, as I hate to see your memory show such little strength.

"Since 2005, 37 subspecies of wolf are recognised, including the red wolf and not including two Canis lupus subspecies: Canis lupus dingo and Canis lupus familiaris."

Now, let's find something else, shall we?

How about an academic study? That sounds nice.

http://www.dur.ac.uk/news/newsitem/?itemno=14665

While the subspecies of domestic dogs are DESCENDENT from grey wolves (the species has not varied to the point of new species yet), just as the several subspecies of modern wolves, the two are not the same.

isadore;1205043 wrote:They are part of a group of living organisms consisting of similar individuals ( with dingoes and modern wolves) capable of exchanging genes or interbreeding.

Yes, they are members of the same species as dogs. Most subspecies therein are classified as such. Domestic dogs are the exception.

isadore;1205043 wrote:They continue to have the instincts of their ancestors and the fellow members of the species.

According to Durham University, this is untrue.

But I'm sure you know more than their science and research departments do, right?

isadore;1205043 wrote: no they produce a large percentage of the human fatalities.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_fatal_dog_attacks_in_the_United_States

Amongst dog attack-related deaths, which is a small number itself. They produce more than half of a tiny number. Not enough to even be considered a legitimate sample size in any experiment. It's sad that your illogical paranoia continues to blind you to that fact.

isadore;1205043 wrote:They look for weak prey as wolves do, and then they kill it.

Blind assumptions delivered by illogical fear again. My dear man, I hope you do get over that soon. It appears to have consumed your ability to discern anything logical on the topic. What a shame.

isadore;1205043 wrote:They don’t get a chance to eat it because humans intervene. With large prey dogs and other wolves dismember it before eating.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Predation#True_predation

Ah yes, there's that impeccable timing by those humans again. Always time to kill. Never time to eat. What precision in timing that must take.

And wait, I thought you said they sought out the weak, including infants. You know, inherently SMALL beings ... not large? Why aren't they eating the infants?

isadore;1205043 wrote:I realize you put your personal needs above the safety of the community.

Far less than any parent who allows his or her teen to get a driver's license. My community is a very safe place, as my dogs (even the ferocious wolf known as the chihuahua that lives in my home) are well-behaved and treated properly.

isadore;1205043 wrote:The fact that you would want a killer dog in your home to compensate for some personal shortcomings is both unbelievably self centered and self. Please reconsider

It's sad that you think any dog is a killer dog, particularly pit bulls, since there are more than 4.5 million registered pit bulls in the United States and many unregistered, yet there are barely enough deaths caused by dogs identified to be pit bulls each year to count on two full hands.

I would never have a killer dog in my home. It's just sad that a person like you is so blinded by his paranoia that he constructs monsters and boogie men in his head. Hopefully, one day you grow up and put such childish thoughts and fears behind you and realize how silly they are in light of logic.

isadore;1205043 wrote:you still can be redeemed.

I have been. Thank you.

Isadore. I do not care if I get banned forever for this. You truly are the biggest piece of shit known to man. Go fuck yourself. Literally fucking die in a fire. Also, I won't be redeemed, so you can take that shit and shove it up your old, churchy bullshit ass. FUCK YOU. piece of shit.

In honor of this thread, I have changed the most legendary avatar on the OC to the friendliest dogs on the planet.

Reps to Otrap for owning isadore in this thread.

DeyDurkie5;1205518 wrote:Isadore. I do not care if I get banned forever for this. You truly are the biggest piece of **** known to man. Go **** yourself. Literally ****ing die in a fire. Also, I won't be redeemed, so you can take that **** and shove it up your old, churchy bull**** ass. **** YOU. piece of ****.

gosh a ruddies, even the most hateful reprobates still have a chance at redemption, hopefully you will see the light.

O-Trap;1205294 wrote:They're part of the same species AS wolves, but wolves are a characterization of the majority of the SUBspecies, one of two exceptions being the domesticated dog. Hence, they are the same species, but neither is "the species."

I'll restate, as I hate to see your memory show such little strength.

"Since 2005, 37 subspecies of wolf are recognised, including the red wolf and not including two Canis lupus subspecies: Canis lupus dingo and Canis lupus familiaris."

Now, let's find something else, shall we?

How about an academic study? That sounds nice.

http://www.dur.ac.uk/news/newsitem/?itemno=14665

While the subspecies of domestic dogs are DESCENDENT from grey wolves (the species has not varied to the point of new species yet), just as the several subspecies of modern wolves, the two are not the same.



Yes, they are members of the same species as dogs. Most subspecies therein are classified as such. Domestic dogs are the exception.



According to Durham University, this is untrue.

But I'm sure you know more than their science and research departments do, right?



Amongst dog attack-related deaths, which is a small number itself. They produce more than half of a tiny number. Not enough to even be considered a legitimate sample size in any experiment. It's sad that your illogical paranoia continues to blind you to that fact.



Blind assumptions delivered by illogical fear again. My dear man, I hope you do get over that soon. It appears to have consumed your ability to discern anything logical on the topic. What a shame.



Ah yes, there's that impeccable timing by those humans again. Always time to kill. Never time to eat. What precision in timing that must take.

And wait, I thought you said they sought out the weak, including infants. You know, inherently SMALL beings ... not large? Why aren't they eating the infants?



Far less than any parent who allows his or her teen to get a driver's license. My community is a very safe place, as my dogs (even the ferocious wolf known as the chihuahua that lives in my home) are well-behaved and treated properly.



It's sad that you think any dog is a killer dog, particularly pit bulls, since there are more than 4.5 million registered pit bulls in the United States and many unregistered, yet there are barely enough deaths caused by dogs identified to be pit bulls each year to count on two full hands.

I would never have a killer dog in my home. It's just sad that a person like you is so blinded by his paranoia that he constructs monsters and boogie men in his head. Hopefully, one day you grow up and put such childish thoughts and fears behind you and realize how silly they are in light of logic.

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I have been. Thank you.

Gosh a ruddies we have homo sapiens, a species. Everyone in that species no matter what their differences are members of the species. We can interbreed as members of a species. We have canis lupus, a species. Everyone in that species no matter what their differences are members of the species. They can interbreed as members of a species. In your little study they did not include the Staffordshire Bull Terrier or the American Staffordshire Bull Terrier.
http://dro.dur.ac.uk/9552/1/9552.pdf?DDD6+drk0gl
As you admit pit bulls are responsible for by far the largest percentage of deaths. As you refuse to accept as percentages show they favor children as victims, those 12 and under making up over half their kills. Is 52 dead kids over a ten year period enough for you. I guess not.
Pits are so good at it:
Baby killed by pit bull in grandparents' home
Monday, January 16, 2012
http://abclocal.go.com/ktrk/story?section=news/local&id=8505754
Pit Bull Quarantined After Baby Killed
http://www.click2houston.com/news/Pit-Bull-Quarantined-After-Baby-Killed/-/1735978/2831334/-/qfxx8w/-/index.html
Sleeping Michigan baby killed by pit bull
http://www.upi.com/Top_News/US/2011/02/21/Sleeping-Michigan-baby-killed-by-pit-bull/UPI-36591298326504/
Atlanta police say the dog climbed into the baby's crib and bit her on the head.
abcnews.go.com/.../day-baby-killed-family-pit-bull-99...Feb 25, 2010

And right here in Ohio last month.
http://www.limaohio.com/articles/dog-84294-infant-euthanized.html
Of course in your view that tragedy is the pit being euthanized. It was of course the baby’s fault, never the dogs.

O-Trap wrote: something provokes an attack

Probably the kid’s rattle or the child laughed, or cried, or breathed. Anything to excuse a killer, if it happens to be a breed you favor.
You know most people rush to help others when they hear screams. And a 15 baby is still large prey for a 50 pound dog. I realize you have a self centered fixation on pits. BUT
if you have to have a dog any other type would be less dangerous to children and the elderly than these killers.

DeyDurkie5;1205518 wrote:Isadore. I do not care if I get banned forever for this. You truly are the biggest piece of **** known to man. Go **** yourself. Literally ****ing die in a fire. Also, I won't be redeemed, so you can take that **** and shove it up your old, churchy bull**** ass. **** YOU. piece of ****.

WOW, someone is SERIOUS. Hahahaha.

sleeper;1204717 wrote:If you can't handle a pitbull, you might be an idiot.

If I'm out for a run and suddenly hear the sound of claws crossing asphalt behind me, many other dogs I hope is chasing me than a pit bull.

said_aouita;1206032 wrote:If I'm out for a run and suddenly hear the sound of claws crossing asphalt behind me, many other dogs I hope is chasing me than a pit bull.

If you ran sprints, which would burn more fat & keep more muscle, you wouldn't have that problem. :laugh:

said_aouita;1206032 wrote:If I'm out for a run and suddenly hear the sound of claws crossing asphalt behind me, many other dogs I hope is chasing me than a pit bull.

Why's that? If the dog attacks you, you have a fist. Punch it in the eye as hard as you can. That'll be enough.

If a 45lb dog comes to attack me I'm going to body slam the shit out of it. End of dog!

It's legal to carry and would stop a vicious dog clamped on to a small child's neck, head, arm, leg, rib cage, etc. Best bet would probably through the eye socket as it woud cause instant death and not harm any other children present.

It's a better alternative than a gun, knife, stun gun, brass knuckles, club, bat, hammer. A smaller one would be ideal.





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