ts1227;1145552 wrote:Just because the winner gets crowned as "least retarded" doesn't mean there still wasn't a winner

Second place is the first loser. /Dale Earnhardt'd

I Wear Pants;1145529 wrote:"Rules are rules" and "zero tolerance" are code for "we are too lazy and stupid to actually think about the proper response to individual cases and situations".

This is not true. Allowing case by case interpretation of the rules creates and entire different problem. Namely, that the school would need to become judge and jury to which sicknesses and level of sickness allows the children to miss class. That opens up an entirely different can of worms.

Steel Valley Football;1145559 wrote:This is not true. Allowing case by case interpretation of the rules creates and entire different problem. Namely, that the school would need to become judge and jury to which sicknesses and level of sickness allows the children to miss class. That opens up an entirely different can of worms.

Yes, especially since this is a very common issue. Derp.

Steel Valley Football;1145559 wrote:This is not true. Allowing case by case interpretation of the rules creates and entire different problem. Namely, that the school would need to become judge and jury to which sicknesses and level of sickness allows the children to miss class. That opens up an entirely different can of worms.

How many kids a year in Carrollton high school are in a position to where they have enough absences to be not allowed to walk at graduation?

It really can't be that many.

justincredible;1145560 wrote:Yes, especially since this is a very common issue. Derp.

Yes, because you know every student family situation in the entire school. Not to mention, every future student to whom the rule would also apply. The school system has had decades of experience dealing with student absenses, while you've likely had none. Your derp was a fail.

I Wear Pants;1145529 wrote:"Rules are rules" and "zero tolerance" are code for "we are too lazy and stupid to actually think about the proper response to individual cases and situations".

I made comments like this before (with some other more specific ones) on JJ's and I'm subsequently blacklisted from substitute teaching at our high school (I don't sub anymore anyway since I took a different position at work).

I Wear Pants;1145563 wrote:How many kids a year in Carrollton high school are in a position to where they have enough absences to be not allowed to walk at graduation?

It really can't be that many.

I don't know and neither do you. So why are you such an expert about this case?

Steel Valley Football;1145576 wrote:I don't know and neither do you. So why are you such an expert about this case?

It's never stopped you from coming off as one before

ts1227;1145578 wrote:It's never stopped you from coming off as one before

OUCH !!!

Steel Valley Football;1145576 wrote:I don't know and neither do you. So why are you such an expert about this case?

I do know from going to a similarly sized school in the same general area that the number of students in that situation is likely very small.

What makes you such an expert to know that the rules are reasonable?

We're both speculating here but that was sort of assumed I thought. Didn't know I needed to go citing class sizes and graduation rates and such.

Steel Valley Football;1145573 wrote:Yes, because you know every student family situation in the entire school. Not to mention, every future student to whom the rule would also apply. The school system has had decades of experience dealing with student absenses, while you've likely had none. Your derp was a fail.

You're the expert.

Seriously, are there lots of kids with parents dying of cancer in every school district these days that allowing this kid to walk would cause chaos?

ts1227;1145578 wrote:It's never stopped you from coming off as one before

About what? I'm an expert at real estate appraising according to the state of Ohio. I'm an expert, relatively speaking, on recorded music.

You likely won't have an answer to this; a good one, anyway.

justincredible;1145591 wrote:You're the expert.

Steel Valley Football;1145603 wrote:About what? I'm an expert at real estate appraising according to the state of Ohio. I'm an expert, relatively speaking, on recorded music.

You likely won't have an answer to this; a good one, anyway.

lol he didn't get it. lol

I Wear Pants;1145587 wrote:I do know from going to a similarly sized school in the same general area that the number of students in that situation is likely very small.

What makes you such an expert to know that the rules are reasonable?

We're both speculating here but that was sort of assumed I thought. Didn't know I needed to go citing class sizes and graduation rates and such.

Where did I claim to be an expert. I've pretty much said I don't have enough info to determine how effective and accurate the rule is. Not enough to go calling the entire school board lazy and stupid.

Commander of Awesome;1145606 wrote:lol he didn't get it. lol

Lol yeah I did I wasn't responding to Justin dummy.

Just dropped in for the LULZ and it did not disappoint. Would read again.

justincredible;1145591 wrote:You're my idol.

Fixed.

justincredible;1145594 wrote:Seriously, are there lots of kids with parents dying of cancer in every school district these days that allowing this kid to walk would cause chaos?

Would it only apply to cancer?

Steel Valley Football;1145614 wrote:Would it only apply to cancer?

Substitute cancer with any terminal disease. Odds are the numbers are still less than a handful at even the largest high schools.

Steel Valley Football;1145576 wrote:I don't know and neither do you. So why are you such an expert about this case?

Trust me there aren't many cases like this.

justincredible;1145619 wrote:Substitute cancer with any terminal disease. Odds are the numbers are still less than a handful at even the largest high schools.

Ok, so they'd need a list of this diseases. What if a case where a disease they hadn't thought of comes up?

What about an auto accident where there the mom became paralyzed and needed help to eat? Would that apply also? If so, what if the auto accident was a result of the mom doing drugs and she killed someone else in another car?

Hopefully, you see where I'm going w this. There are too many variables so they have a general rule in place and they work from there. Which is exactly what happened in this case. But, instead of thinking it through, people just immediately throw dumb comments around about how dumb and lazy the school ADs are.

Steel Valley Football;1145643 wrote:Ok, so they'd need a list of this diseases. What if a case where a disease they hadn't thought of comes up?

What about an auto accident where there the mom became paralyzed and needed help to eat? Would that apply also? If so, what if the auto accident was a result of the mom doing drugs and she killed someone else in another car?

Hopefully, you see where I'm going w this. There are too many variables so they have a general rule in place and they work from there. Which is exactly what happened in this case. But, instead of thinking it through, people just immediately throw dumb comments around about how dumb and lazy the school ADs are.

They don't need a list of diseases. Not everything needs to be a hyper controlled bureaucratic clusterfuck.

That's the laziness I'm talking about. Wanting to have a reaction and reprimand and solution to every possible situation already thought out is impossible and so your solution is to just make blanket policies. That's what our school boards do now and it blows. Sure if they react on a situation by situation basis they may occasionally run into a snafu but it's simply the right thing to do.

A great example would be with fights. Most schools today have zero tolerance policies wherein if you are in a fight you are suspended no matter the circumstances. Not exactly fair for someone who gets attacked and doesn't retaliate or only retaliates enough to get separation or to settle the situation. Blanket policies don't serve that person justly.

Just as blanket policies on things like excused absences don't justly apply to students who are caring for their terminally ill parents.

And the school administration is dumb and lazy. If they weren't they would have fucking known about the kid's situation or talked to him when he came close to/went over the allowed days missed and they would have came to the conclusion (if they had a brain or heart) that the kid deserved to walk (assuming his grades are in line with graduation requirements).

I Wear Pants;1145655 wrote:They don't need a list of diseases. Not everything needs to be a hyper controlled bureaucratic clusterfuck.

That's the laziness I'm talking about. Wanting to have a reaction and reprimand and solution to every possible situation already thought out is impossible and so your solution is to just make blanket policies. That's what our school boards do now and it blows. Sure if they react on a situation by situation basis they may occasionally run into a snafu but it's simply the right thing to do.

A great example would be with fights. Most schools today have zero tolerance policies wherein if you are in a fight you are suspended no matter the circumstances. Not exactly fair for someone who gets attacked and doesn't retaliate or only retaliates enough to get separation or to settle the situation. Blanket policies don't serve that person justly.

Just as blanket policies on things like excused absences don't justly apply to students who are caring for their terminally ill parents.

And the school administration is dumb and lazy. If they weren't they would have fucking known about the kid's situation or talked to him when he came close to/went over the allowed days missed and they would have came to the conclusion (if they had a brain or heart) that the kid deserved to walk (assuming his grades are in line with graduation requirements).

Just in case.
http://atozhealthtopics.blogspot.com/2011/11/list-of-terminal-diseases.html

I never realized that Carroll County was a suburb of Cleveland. lol