Winner.Glory Days;1145498 wrote:sleeper'd
No offense, but that is some realllly fucking stupid thinking.Cleveland Buck;1145508 wrote:What happens if you don't pay your property taxes? If you have to pay someone to keep your home, who owns it?
What do you do at 5/3?SportsAndLady;1145680 wrote:Hope all of you w/ mortgages did it w/ Fifth Third...or else you are all dead to me
Bankahoops23;1145684 wrote:What do you do at 5/3?
sjmvsfscs08;1145666 wrote:No offense, but that is some realllly fucking stupid thinking.
DeadliestWarrior34;1145521 wrote:His rape dungeon.
You're misunderstanding the use of property tax it seems. The tax isn't for the property, per se, but the tax money is used for projects such as revamping street lights, city buildings, local roads, sidewalks, etc... The money is pooled for city usage on on things of need basically.Cleveland Buck;1145713 wrote:Excellent rebuttal. You have no idea what it means to own property. Most people don't though, which is why this country is so fucked up. Paying the government for the privilege of occupying or holding a piece of property is not the same thing as owning it. No wonder people don't understand property rights. They don't even understand what owning property means.
Property rights means no taxes? GTFO. Honestly the idea is so filled with lunacy that it doesn't deserve a rebuttal. But fair enough I'll give you a minute of my time.Cleveland Buck;1145713 wrote:Excellent rebuttal. You have no idea what it means to own property. Most people don't though, which is why this country is so fucked up. Paying the government for the privilege of occupying or holding a piece of property is not the same thing as owning it. No wonder people don't understand property rights. They don't even understand what owning property means.
Time to refinance. It's a good savings vehicle for people whom money burns a whole in their pocket, but at these rates and this point in your mortgage life @2/3 of your payment is going to equity. After-tax you're getting basically 2% return on your money (savings after mortgage tax shield). Have the discipline to put that into the market and I bet over the next 14 years you at least triple that 2% return.Sonofanump;1145108 wrote:I own after only 168 more morgage payments.
SportsAndLady;1145685 wrote:Banka
Gas tax,City Income tax,Municipal Tax and in Ohio it has already been determined by the Ohio Supreme Court that the way Ohio funds it's schools (Property Tax) is unconstitutional, of course they haven't changed it yet.sjmvsfscs08;1145719 wrote:Property rights means no taxes? GTFO. Honestly the idea is so filled with lunacy that it doesn't deserve a rebuttal. But fair enough I'll give you a minute of my time.
I guess, in short...how the hell do you expect your city to operate without property taxes? How about your schools? Roads pave themselves? Bridges rebuild themselves? Sidewalks pour themselves?
Property rights? They don't exist, and they never have. Maybe you should be the one doing research. You do not in fact own the property in the truest since of the word. You have plenty of restrictions and responsibilities. You are merely borrowing it; you are just a visitor, be it for a day or a hundred years. Guess what...you will die and someone else will own that land.
I fully support most of what Paulians stand for against the federal government, but local government and property taxes are not at all meant to be a tax-free, no-government support libertarian fuckfest. Anyone with half of a brain has realized that you cannot simply say "eh fuck this place I want to be a lone wolf" and move out west. The west is gone. We now live in a world where we live together as a society. If that makes local-level policies seem more socialist than your liking (with even property taxes being argued against), then so be it.
I speak with a Boston accent at the moment, so even if I was a teller it would be a tellaernest_t_bass;1145736 wrote:Teller
LOL...not in my town. Had two trees on the curb lawn by the street. The curb lawn is the property of the city, supposedly, but my responsibility to pay for the tree removal. Same trees, which I just removed, have their roots busting up the sidewalks. Sidewalks need replaced too and guess who is paying for it out of pocket? I'll give you a clue...it rhymes with "not the city." Friggin shysters...hoops23;1145718 wrote:You're misunderstanding the use of property tax it seems. The tax isn't for the property, per se, but the tax money is used for projects such as revamping street lights, city buildings, local roads, sidewalks, etc... The money is pooled for city usage on on things of need basically.
I should refinance my 3.5% fixed loan? Interesting. Tell me more.gut;1145721 wrote:Time to refinance. It's a good savings vehicle for people whom money burns a whole in their pocket, but at these rates and this point in your mortgage life @2/3 of your payment is going to equity. After-tax you're getting basically 2% return on your money (savings after mortgage tax shield). Have the discipline to put that into the market and I bet over the next 14 years you at least triple that 2% return.
If it were me, I'd be looking to get into an 5-7yr interest only ARM - leave 30% equity in (@min qualifying for interest only) and put the rest to work for you.
Most sidewalk improvements are done with federal dollars, since sidewalks are outrageously expensive. They stopped building sidewalks in most neighborhoods in the 1950's. The population seems to want roads, not sidewalks.BR1986FB;1145749 wrote:LOL...not in my town. Had two trees on the curb lawn by the street. The curb lawn is the property of the city, supposedly, but my responsibility to pay for the tree removal. Same trees, which I just removed, have their roots busting up the sidewalks. Sidewalks need replaced too and guess who is paying for it out of pocket? I'll give you a clue...it rhymes with "not the city." Friggin shysters...
Well these sidewalks will be done with my out of pocket dollars...sjmvsfscs08;1145779 wrote:Most sidewalk improvements are done with federal dollars, since sidewalks are outrageously expensive. They stopped building sidewalks in most neighborhoods in the 1950's. The population seems to want roads, not sidewalks.
You can blame sprawl for overextending the road network and making sidewalks simply impossible to pay for.
I am not at all talking about how property taxes are used, I am talking about what they are. A government doesn't need property taxes to function, they have many other options for raising money.hoops23;1145718 wrote:You're misunderstanding the use of property tax it seems. The tax isn't for the property, per se, but the tax money is used for projects such as revamping street lights, city buildings, local roads, sidewalks, etc... The money is pooled for city usage on on things of need basically.
It's not an actual personal property tax, but a real estate tax which includes the affixed land surrounding your home as well.
Some states have a personal property tax as well, which means you continue paying taxes on items such as vehicles, boats, etc..
I believe you could buy the land and build a house out in the middle of no where and never pay a dime of property tax after the place is paid off.
You finally got around to your point. You don't believe people should own property. That is your opinion. Many people hold it. Most people don't though, they just mistakenly believe that they do own property.sjmvsfscs08;1145719 wrote:Property rights means no taxes? GTFO. Honestly the idea is so filled with lunacy that it doesn't deserve a rebuttal. But fair enough I'll give you a minute of my time.
I guess, in short...how the hell do you expect your city to operate without property taxes? How about your schools? Roads pave themselves? Bridges rebuild themselves? Sidewalks pour themselves?
Property rights? They don't exist, and they never have. Maybe you should be the one doing research. You do not in fact own the property in the truest since of the word. You have plenty of restrictions and responsibilities. You are merely borrowing it; you are just a visitor, be it for a day or a hundred years. Guess what...you will die and someone else will own that land.
I fully support most of what Paulians stand for against the federal government, but local government and property taxes are not at all meant to be a tax-free, no-government support libertarian fuckfest. Anyone with half of a brain has realized that you cannot simply say "eh fuck this place I want to be a lone wolf" and move out west. The west is gone. We now live in a world where we live together as a society. If that makes local-level policies seem more socialist than your liking (with even property taxes being argued against), then so be it.
With that outlook, we literally own nothing. Everything is taxed.Cleveland Buck;1145794 wrote:I am not at all talking about how property taxes are used, I am talking about what they are. A government doesn't need property taxes to function, they have many other options for raising money.
If you have to pay someone to keep possession of your property (any property) then you do not own it. Do you have to pay someone to keep them from legally taking away your shoes?
And I don't think there is anywhere left in this country that doesn't have a property tax.
If you don't pay a sales tax then they don't take the item away from you. You have pay it to own the item in the first place, but once you pay it you own it. Everything else, you are right. We don't own land anymore. We don't our income anymore. Now we don't even own our bodies anymore, since you must either buy insurance or pay a fine, or be locked away in a government cage, just to exist in this country.WebFire;1145798 wrote:With that outlook, we literally own nothing. Everything is taxed.
